shimdidlyTalking to normies about privacy:
Using the term “normies” paints you as having a superiority complex, which isn’t the best look.
Not at all; they could have an inferiority complex too. So you’re assuming things; AND upon those assumptions judging the argument based on the characteristics of the person arguing instead of the argument at hand.
Yeah, OP was for sure putting people down with this meme. You’re arguing in bad faith here, putting aside the very obvious for the sake of having an argument.
Good that you’ve both found a way to feel superior to others
Completely unrelated, what are the privacy concerns from discord?
And by commenting this, you’re now on top with the superiority complex, lol.
god i love linux forums, some things never change
KolliSorry, that accusation expires after one use in conversation.
Discord is built on Chromium, which is the main concern I have heard. I’ve yet to see any evidence that they’re mining user data, which is a valid concern.
They’ve done a shockingly good job of funding themselves without selling user info thus far.
to my cynical ass, this just looks like they (and their investors) are more interested in being acquired (with their treasure trove of user data fully exclusive) than in opening up short term revenue streams.
squid_slimeIsn’t tencent one of they’re largest investors and China forces data collection from these company atleat this is something ive heard mentioned
rovingnothing29
GunpachiWhat anime is that from ?
Amagi Brilliant Park
Thanks !
Being a normie isn’t the best look either.
Misanthropy in current times is an indicator of a functioning brain.
Anyone that says it’s all great is delusional or trying to exploit a market inefficiency.
ahornsirupThere’s quite a leap from “absolutely everything is completely fine” to “I hate all humans”. Both are idiotic sentiments.
And there’s the “both sides are the same” argument
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I’ve written software you use every day. Apache, NGinx, and a bunch of CNCF projects. I’m just as good as you at tech, likely better, and have a full understanding. I didn’t give a crap.
Opinions like yours are the essence of fedora anti culture that paints a picture of the asshole IT guy.
GiganEveryone is a normie for some things
Evkob (they/them)I appreciate you calling out the use of the term “normie”. Communities that frequently use such terms always end up with an unhealthy “us vs them” mentality.
Like I’m not surprised people don’t react well to someone bringing up privacy issues if said person starts the conversation with the mentality of “how do I enlighten this normie?”
How do I reeeach theese Normies
What’s hilarious is that it becomes normalized by a majority in a community then a minority breaks off once it does and the cycle starts again. It’s normies all the way down.
You getting downvoted sort of proves the point.
That people agree/disagree?
There’s a difference between disagreeing and being disrespectful.
downvoting is a form of expression, to label downvoting as disrespectful based on a narrow definition limits freedom of expression and overlooks the nuances.
Or you could take the time you explain your opinion.
I’m all for duologue, but there is a voting system, its very accessible more so than typing. Don’t you think this is a bit short sited and in reverse should people avoid voting in general good and bad?
You still haven’t explained why people shouldn’t take “normie” as a pejorative, or why using potential insults is a good thing.
Weird fallback, I dont see this as relevant to our discussion so I won’t be explaining “why people shouldn’t take “normie” as a pejorative, or why using potential insults is a good thing.”
“there’s a difference between disagreeing and being disrespectful.”
That’s the point I was trying to make.
Someone was getting downvoted for saying people shouldn’t use that term.
imho using the term ‘normie’ and downvoting opinions you disagree with are both rude.
And no one in this thread has explained why I should think I’m wrong.
If we’ve gone too far from the original intent, I’ll say goodbye.
I find it a very confusing term aswell because what does it even define? I always arrive on it being a synonymous to neurotypical outside the autistic context.
You’re not wrong. That said sometimes it can be self-deprecating.
In any case, one substitute is “non-nerds”, but I’m sure someone can think of a term that fits even better in the meme.
Really? I just interpreted the use of normie here as “layperson” or “average user” and thought it was completely harmless.
Have someone refer to you as a normie and lmk if it feels neutral or derogatory.
I can’t imagine normies getting worked up over what some internet nerd calls them
That’s neither here nor there and just completely sidesteps the question. Also, depending on how you define normies and nerds, it’s a bit silly. In 2024, you’re telling me you can’t imagine a random person being worked up by being called names online? Okay then 👌
If any professional or expert in fields I don’t know shit about calls me a normie that’s absolutely fine and justified.
Why is normie derogatory and layperson isn’t? Or is any word describing a level of competence demeaning in your eyes?
“Layperson” is a neutral term that simply refers to someone who is not an expert or professional in a particular field.
On the other hand, “normie” is a slang term. It’s often used pejoratively to describe someone who is perceived as mainstream or conventional in their tastes, interests, or behaviors, especially in contrast to subcultures that value niche, specialized, or unconventional interests. The term can carry a dismissive or derogatory tone, implying that the person is out of touch with certain subcultures or lacks depth in their interests. This can make it offensive to some, as it suggests a judgment on their personal preferences or social identity.
The difference in offensiveness comes down to intent and perception: “layperson” is descriptive and objective, while “normie” can be used to exclude or demean.
Yes, it means layperson, but with derogatory cense. It is like using the n-word to describe black people (though not as extreme). If you mean average user, just say average user, unless you really mean to use derogatory term, that is.
In the world of anime I am a normie and that’s fine
It implies them having that complex, thinking they know better than, as another comment pointed out, some nerds.
You know, that kind of people thinking their degree of social anthropology or whatever makes them smarter than you in every area. Because whatever they are doing is important and whatever you are doing is toys for nerds.
I can imagine a social butterfly looking down on nerds. Although I gotta level with you: that sounds like something that would primarily occur in high school to me. Maybe you’re grown and still dealing with that, but either way: using the term normies is not going to help at all, I assure you.
Maybe you’re grown and still dealing with that, but either way: using the term normies is not going to help at all, I assure you.
This seems common sense to you, right?
Well, I, being almost 28, am just starting to realize that you should carefully measure both respect and disrespect, and there may be too little or too much of both.
Maybe not “social butterfly”, I’m just thinking of all the people thinking they now know what is serious in life. A surprising amount don’t have complex hobbies or even deep cultural familiarity with their own profession.
And if that profession is more about talking to people than about conceptualization (many typical office jobs), or maybe it is descriptive, not creative (like many liberal arts degrees), they are going to be dismissive of people who actually make things.
Watching and doing is different, and people watching often think too much of their ability to do stuff, just like with sports or music or cars or warfare or porn.
Severely lacking in car company logos.
Oh, those aren’t gaping Patrick’s mouth…
‘There’s no point fighting it’ or ‘Privacy is already dead’
The arguments that make my eye twitch, It’s such a defeatist outlook but seems like the most common nowadays.
Everyone says this kind of stuff about any and every social issue. It drives me insane, do people not realize that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy? If everyone I heard say “there’s no point fighting it” got together and fought it, they’d easily win.
I’m genuinely curious, who exactly do you think will do the fighting?
Cuz I can tell you who will be the first pushed forward, and that’s young men and women. Not sure if you’ve noticed, but we’ve got several generations of young men that have been taught that they are literally everything that’s wrong with everything and are treated like it. What exactly would those young men be fighting for?
Of course they’re defeatist. They have been trained to be.
Stop licking Andrew Tates balls.
They give you bad breath and stupid ideas
I hate Andrew Tate, that changes nothing about what I’ve said.
Took me a long time to break out of the programming. I feel you.
It helps to understand that the phrase “you have value; you are worthy” is objectively true. It’s not a matter of opinion. It is a fact. You are a sentient person, therefore you matter. You are deserving of dignity, respect, and love. Anyone who says otherwise is just wrong. It’s like saying 2+2=5. They’re just not correct.
We need to address this on a societal level. And not via right wing douchebros.
I see this a lot about climate change lately: country X is polluting more than us so we shouldn’t do anything.
Yeah, like people say ‘I already use windows/google search/whatever, so it does not matter if i switch email provider/ whatever’.
What?? I so hate this mentality: ‘If you cant eliminate / change it fully, then why bother?’ Bruh, small steps can go such a long way man…
I’m definitely not without sin, I still use some services I know damn well don’t give a shit about my privacy.
But I’m using a lot less of those than I did 5 or 10 years ago, So it might be small steps but it’s steps in the right direction and I intend to keep going that way.
Yeah same. I still use youtube for example, but not gmail, google search or windows. These three are huge, in gathering info.
There is a 3rd argument which I think is a bit more valid in “I value the service I receive in exchange for my personal data”
Using the internet without an adblocker, noscript, and whatever else is really nasty. But even if you aren’t on these platforms, marketers are still building profiles on you. Honestly we need data privacy legislation and some real talk about marketing and the costs of using the internet as a society.
FuglyDuckThat argument pisses me off.
“I don’t mind so fuck you.”
If you want to use those services, that’s your business. But I don’t use those services; they still keep my data.
But I don’t use those services; they still keep my data.
Exactly why we need data privacy laws. Sadly there are “profiles” out there for all of us, whether you chose to be tracked or not. Personally I think that any kind of sharing of personal data with marketers should be illegal nor should it be legal for any entity to purchase personal data without a signed consent form from the person in question.
That’d probably end “free” services and our credit score system in the United States but honestly that kind of data collection is equivalent to stalking and unethical.