What does a PIN Number and a PDF Format have in common? They both suffer from RAS Syndrome, also known as Redundant Acronym Syndrome. It’s when an acronym is followed by a word that is also part of the acronym, and there’s quite a couple of them.

Full details and more examples on Sketchplanations: https://sketchplanations.com/ras-syndrome

RAS Syndrome

RAS Syndrome is Redundant Acronym Syndrome Syndrome. It's when an acronym is followed by a word that's also part of the acronym. Some examples you may come across: ATM machine - Automated Teller Machine PIN number - Personal Identification Number ISBN number - International Standard Book Number PDF format - Portable Document Format LCD display - Liquid Crystal Display HIV virus - Human Immunodeficiency Virus DC Comics - Detective Comics RSVP please - Répondez S'il Vous Plaît — Reply please MLS soccer - Major League Soccer PAT testing - Portable Appliance Testing While, in principle, the following word is redundant were we to spell out the acronym, that we tend to include it in everyday speech means it's usually serving a helpful function. Quite often, it's clarifying what you're talking about given many people won't know what the acronym actually stands for (see TLAs). By the way, ATM is technically an initialism, while PIN is an acronym. I'd guess you've probably come across RAS Syndrome, too. However, I didn't realise there was a name for it until recently, even though it was coined in New Scientist magazine back in 2001. Also see acronym or initialism, TLAs, Capitonym, pleonasm

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(fun fact: my grammar check actually tried to correct this post and tagged the PIN Number as "This phrase is redundant (‘N’ stands for ‘number’). Consider using “PIN”.")
@stephaniewalter ... but saying PI Number implies 3141 is the only valid input
... I'll get my coat
@Sroot it could also be the number you call when you need some investigation done @stephaniewalter
@mensrea @Sroot @stephaniewalter
3141 sounds a reasonable number of principal investigators for a physics paper, right?
@stephaniewalter Perhaps the people coming up with such acronyms are at fault here.

@stephaniewalter The word "SYNDROME" in

"RAS SYNDROME"

is just *chef's kiss*

@stephaniewalter that's the problem with all these TLA acronyms 🤔

And/or preceded by. “Personal PIN number”.

… and “MLS football”, surely.

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I’m also fond of this quirk, almost the inverse of your examples.

@kelvin0mql And, of course, GNU standing for GNU's Not Unix.

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Actually, it does not work for PDF
@shino PDF format, Portable Document Format Format?

@stephaniewalter Holy shit i'm so sorry, My brain tricked me I read the second format as "file".

🙏

So take this " JWT Token"

@shino I'll accept the token if it can be converted into chocolate or sushis ^^

More seriously: don't worry I too had to double check that F was Format and not File. So technically "PDF File" is not one of them, but "PDF Format" is ^^

@stephaniewalter is there a version to define redundancy in two languages, such as “mojo dojo casa house”?
@josh oh good question, I have no idea, we might need a linguist around here
@stephaniewalter my favorite is the LCD Display

@stephaniewalter also in automotive terminology:

DSG-Getriebe (DE) / DSG-Gearbox (EN) - a type of dual clutch semi automatic gearbox found in VW, Audi, Skoda and SEAT cars

DSG == Direktschaltgetriebe (DE) / Direct Shift Gearbox (EN)

so the word gearbox is repeated twice in common use in both languages

@stephaniewalter it reminds me of the « RAID array » joke, where one points out the « array » is redundant, and the other replies it’s what the ‘R’ stands for
@stephaniewalter Demetri Martin calls them the ATM Achines
@stephaniewalter and one can duplicate the syndrome by combining languages - my favourite was the ad for a “Rechner mit LCD Display Anzeige” (liquid crystal display display display)

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I really like the sketchnote here. 😍

@stephaniewalter "Please RSVP" is my new favorite.
@stephaniewalter Years ago I used to work at an electronics store. Some customers looked at me like I was the idiot for occasionally referring to an LCD as "LC-Display".
@stephaniewalter PIN is redundant in itself, if it is an identification, it cannot not be personal, can it?
Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - ATM

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - ATM

@stephaniewalter And similar to PIN, heard all the time about cars, VIN number (vehicle identification number).
@stephaniewalter in Germany, we have the beloved LED Diode.
@stephaniewalter My favourite is TSB bank. They've taken bank off the sign, but it's still their name.

@stephaniewalter also, only one of them is an acronym! It's only an acronym if the letters form a pronounceable word, such as PIN, NASA or NATO

I mean, you may go around talking about ‘pudfers’, or similar, but otherwise that's an abbreviation 😀

Ah, I see you go on to talk about “initialisms”, which isn’t a word I've come across before, but serves the same purpose 👍

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In Canada, one of our major political parties is often called the NDP Party.

New Democratic Party.

After 62 years,I'm not sure how long it will remain "new", now that the party currently leading in the polls is only 11 years old.

@schmidt_fu