i was listening to songs and watching shows, and there seems to be an eternal nostalgia or obsession with your teenage years, but this is something i only see cis people having, probably because most trans people didn't have a nice experience on their teen years
so, i decided to make a poll!
please boost my silly poll
also feel free to explain yourself, if you desire

are you...

cis, and i miss my teen years
3.5%
trans, and i miss my teen years
16.8%
cis, and i don't miss my teen years
23.8%
trans and i don't miss my teen years
55.9%
Poll ended at .
agatha :v_trans: :v_lesbian: (@[email protected])

Content warning: about trans experiences and teenage years

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@agatha I've got a lot of yearning for what I wish my teen years could've been, for what that's worth.
@dhfir does not count because mood af
@agatha well, I say that, but honestly I'm closeted and making zero progress, so I got a whole lotta yearning either way.
@agatha those were the worst years of my life, if I had my knowledge now back then, I would do everything differently.
@RedCyberPandaz that is kinda true for everyone tbh
the "if i had the mind i have today..." part at least
@agatha mostly I just mean knowing that trans was a thing and how it works. Idgaf about anything else lol
@RedCyberPandaz @agatha except I don’t think there’s much I could’ve done differently. Sometimes I wonder if knowing I was trans much earlier would’ve just caused me to experience even more pain. And there’s not much you can do differently about bullying, and trauma from it, which was a big part of why those years were so awful. I do wish the friends I made in the last few years of school could meet the me that I am now though, instead of this protective shell I hid behind back then, or fully meet the real me that was inside that shell back then, which would’ve only been possible if I understood myself a bit better a bit earlier.

@agatha I'm cis and I miss certain aspects of my teen years-tons of free time! Seeing my friends a lot! All my income was expendable! No real responsibilities! And I realize all of that is my privilege that many did not have in their teen years.

I do not miss my untreated chronic depression and constant drug and alcohol use to try to cope with said depression, or being in a long term relationship with a shithead who treated me poorly.

On the balance, I was in a much better place in my late 20s/30s and now into my 40s. I like certain aspects of nostalgia, but I hate the thought that my best days are behind me.

Whew, didn't mean to write a novel but here we are!

@heathen (i hope this doesn't sound mean) omg you were an euphoria teen
@agatha i dont miss most of my teen years but i miss like preteen-early teens if we take away whatever was going on in my household
@onemuri missing kid and preteen years would be another thing on my opinion, specially because memories become a lot more sparse as we change a lot during our teen years
valid sentiment nonetheless!
@agatha give me back the late 00s i love that shit
@agatha I only miss consuming certain media for the first time then, but I do not miss being a teenager nor do I miss my experiences, though a huge part of it was because of my autism rather than being trans, the trans part mainly amplified it (late teens to early adulthood was where being trans kicked my ass)
@agatha I'm cis and could have done without the mental health problems and the near-constant feeling of isolation from my peers among other problems. Probably my fondest memories involved either being by myself or one of the rare instances where I would be part of a conversation and not feel like an out of place weirdo.
@agatha I feel like in a way I'm now living the teen years I wish I had, as much as coming out was the hardest thing I've ever done, I wouldn't undo it for the world
@agatha @hannu_ikonen Cis, and I don’t really miss my teen years. I was on antidepressants through most of them and now, in my 40s, I do not need antidepressants. I think that says a lot.
@agatha I feel like I didn't have a terrible experience all this considered, but I still don't miss that time. I'm a different person now 🤷🏻‍♀️
@agatha From what I see, most of the people that idolize their teen years are people dont like where they are in life/didn't have much trama from growing up. Mostly people who hate their job, and wish they could do something else with their life.
I grew up on a farm/very religious family, so that is why thankfully don't remember most of my childhood. I know I hated it though. I was trans then, but it was during the time when gay marage was just starting to become a big movement, and only 2 people around me were pro gay marage, so I didn't even know what trans was at the time. Thankfully I am out of that environment now though.

@agatha I voted "don't miss", but if we're counting the first few years of uni at 18-19 then yeah there's some stuff I'd go back and be able to change

Overall fuck no

@EveOfTheFuture this actually varies a lot from country to country, i know the US considers 18 and 19 teens, but here in Brazil we would never call those the equivalent of teenagers
i think i meant more those middle to high school years on my intentions tho

@agatha Same in the UK tbh, although the years technically end in -teen so

But yeah FUCK those years

@agatha trans and… very complex. yes and no. there are certainly things we do very miss
@Qyriad well try your best to gauge between the two, but I'm under no impression this is perfectly accurate or the best way to see this, it's a silly poll as i said 
@agatha oh we already voted, we just figured we'd add some more context
@agatha trans and I don’t miss my teen years, but I can’t stop wishing they would have been different.
@emma join the club 
@agatha have been in it for a very, very, very long time. Back in the day, it even made me suicidal. Both while I was forced to go through male puberty but also afterwards because all the things I felt I missed out on.
@agatha nb, and I find myself with a lot of nostalgia for what teenage years COULD'VE been like on a different timeline. Fuck MY teenage years tho, there's no way I'd go back lol
@syn common and relatable 
@agatha I only found out after my teenage years that half the reason for my mental health being horrible was trying to force myself into a gendered role.
@agatha I voted “trans and I don’t miss my teen years”, but it’s weird, sometimes I do feel some weird nostalgia about them, like for the media I consumed back then which gave me an escape from all the shit and the dysphoria, or the fact that back then it wasn’t that hard to draw regularly (because it was a sorely needed distraction and one of the only things other than media that gave me joy back then), or the fact that because school didn’t exhaust my capacity to think and learn as much as uni does so that I had energy left to freely learn about a bunch of random stuff. I wish I still had the energy and attention span to regularly in my own free time read random stuff about science for hours, and being a voracious reader, and drawing a lot (in school mostly, teachers hated it). I don’t miss the dysphoria and the generally awful and traumatizing experience school was and the horrible mental health stuff I was dealing with and all of that (that led to my life revolving around art, science and media because escapism and because school and not having to adult wasn’t as exhausting on an intellectual level (but school was more than just exhausting on an emotional level) and I still had energy to do all that). I guess now that I think about it it’s also that teens aren’t expected to be as perfectionist in their hobbies as adults, if you draw badly as a teen that’s not a big deal, if you draw badly as an adult then it’s seen as much worse than never trying to draw. So I miss that freedom to fuck around and do things badly (at the cost of bullying actually, I’m now realizing how bullshit this narrative is because teenagers aren’t that free to do that either, and I should treat my adult self with the same compassion as I do my teenage self and allow myself to do things badly because as an adult it actually has less consequences if you stop judging yourself so much and caring so much about people being judgemental, because as an adult you’re not stuck in a class with them and you can do “fuck’em” much more easily). Basically I guess all of this tells me that adulting sucks but also that I should stop being so harsh to myself because I’m stopping myself from doing at least some of those things I miss about my teenage self.

@agatha I don't know whether "miss" means "wish I could experience the nice things that happened once already / it was great" or "still wish I could experience the nice things that were denied / it was shit".

If others do too, that might make the poll results wonky.

@ellie more the first, missing stuff that didn't happen is a little more complex than i wanted to tackle here
@ellie if you see the replies that is very common of a sentiment though
@agatha cannot say I miss the ones I had. am very much reliving my teenage years the way they should've been right now.
@agatha I feel like miss is awfully strong phrasing. There are aspects of my teen years I wish I still had. But I wouldn’t go back. I also didn’t know what was going on in my teen years and the dysphoria didn’t hugely set in until I found out it could be changed.
@agatha if it were possible to set roughly a decade of time/life experience on fire, I would. ​
@agatha for me, trans, and I wish my teen years had gone differently

@agatha we didn't have a childhood. We grieve something we didn't have. We sometimes want to start again and have a childhood.

We don't miss being a teenager, we wish we were once a teenager. We wish we were once a child.

@agatha I don't miss them, even if i do feel nostalgic for some stuff, like 2013-ish youtube era spore, minecraft and gmod videos, as well as playing Oblivion and Fallout 3.
So yeah, the whole being a teen? Don't miss. Some stuff i enjoyed during my teen years? Miss.
(and i do try to play Oblivion - no surprised i never could do it before XD it's sooooooooo broken)
@agatha The only people I've ever known who miss their time at high school were bullies tbh.
@agatha I'm going to say cis and no, vut it's a tricky question because I miss some of my innocence and my extra free time and health, but in general I like the way I am as an educated adult. I feel like I have a more intellectually and emotionally fulfilling life now.
@agatha i miss being a teen, i dont exactly miss my teenage years... i do want to relive them, do everything better, be my true self, that sort of stuff
@stella it's unfair to want those years with the understanding of an adult, it's not really teen years then
it's just a younger body, more time, and less worries
which is valid but not exactly how i intended this (it's fine if you voted whatever btw)
@agatha i dont want it with the understanding of an adult, i just want it in an environment where i am aware that people can be trans
@stella so you want to be a teenager today instead of the time you were one?
at least i think teens nowadays know about it, i too didn't T_T

@agatha yeah, pretty much. i often still feel like i am a teenager, just trapped in an environment that is too old for me, too grown up

https://paper.wf/stella/age i wrote a thing about this a while back actually

Age

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@agatha I'm surprised that there are a higher ratio of trans people who liked their teens compared to the cis folk who answered this poll 
@Clarisse i think that's not statiscally significant
@agatha By these results, it would seem trans people are twice as likely to miss their teen years.