@eldritch48 love the concept, I also see it for a #solarpunk setting.

@justinkd My current project is basically the conflict between cyberpunk and "solarpunk", although I really hate that term. If you aren't flipping off the man, you aren't punk, no matter what marketing pukes want to tag things with.

@justinkd Solarpunk as a term is as dumb as every political scandal being a 'gate'.

@justinkd Just call it "eco-utopian sci-fi" and move on.

@eldritch48 I can understand the argument against #solarpunk as a genera as it currently stands but, I see it differently than many others such as, the stories should be about the fight not the ideals realized. For example #cyberpunk is about the fight against the corporate powers not the dystopia as a whole. Solarpunk stories should take place in a dystopia, not a paradise.

@justinkd The only thing with that is that showing how the upper class use "solar" to keep the peons down is a lot harder....and that's what you'd have to do to make a real "Solarpunk" Perhaps if the rich had that solar-powered tech, and the only thing the poor had were sticks and the light of the sun...

@eldritch48 @justinkd solar powered water cannons is just cyberpunk though. Solarpunk is where you have to ask around to find the old person who knows about the book about how the servants poisoned all the rich people and lived happily ever after. If that's what insolates your wafer.

@octarine_wiggle @justinkd We *could* have a "Solarpunk" genre, it would be a Conservatives wet dream - it would talk about how thought and freedom of the people have been constrained and made illegal in order to create a bright and cheery society where everyone is happy.

@octarine_wiggle @justinkd You would have to make your happily ever after world an evil place.

@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Sure. You can want something different. I love eco-utopian sci-fi. You just can't appropriate my culture.

@octarine_wiggle @justinkd All are welcome to the tribe of 'punk', but you can't claim the name without the ethos to sell books.

@octarine_wiggle @justinkd When someone with a lifetime of being punk tells you something isn't, you can chose to argue, but it's a shitty thing to do, and makes you sound like an appropriating white person. "I like the term, so I'm using it." is pretty damn disrespectful.

@eldritch48 @justinkd ok pithiness aside for a moment, synthesizing a diversity of traditionalism with a forward looking technological society at scale that doesn't shie away from discussing limits to growth means you're imagining a society with a functioning political steady-state that's distinct from organising the struggle against a single oppressor. One example cited as a solarpunk reference is News From Nowhere (1890), a very white, very privileged, mediaeval larping rural utopia which also happens to go into lengthy detail about violently unmaking Victorian England and disavowing imperialism. Is it solarpunk? I'm not sure. Separate from whether it's solarpunk, what do you do to analyse whether it's punk?

@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Punk - anger, aggression, a refusal to be satisfied with the scraps they give you - rebellion that is almost always doomed, and you know it, but you do it anyway. Punk is a more visceral outgrowth of "Noir". A feeling of powerlessness.

@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Was talking over on the FB about this too, and a friend suggested "Solarcore", which I like a LOT. "At its core, a story about sustainable tech and our relationship with it." 100%. On board.