Seth RutledgeMar 5, 2024

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After the oil ran dry and the corps moved to nuclear power, many of the rigs in the Gulf weren't worth salvaging, and were left to decompose or be occupied by squatters.

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Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 5, 2024
@eldritch48 love the concept, I also see it for a #solarpunk setting.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@justinkd My current project is basically the conflict between cyberpunk and "solarpunk", although I really hate that term. If you aren't flipping off the man, you aren't punk, no matter what marketing pukes want to tag things with.
Show threadSeth Rutledge
@justinkd Solarpunk as a term is as dumb as every political scandal being a 'gate'.
Mar 5, 2024 at 8:52pmWeb
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@justinkd Just call it "eco-utopian sci-fi" and move on.
Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 5, 2024
@eldritch48 I can understand the argument against #solarpunk as a genera as it currently stands but, I see it differently than many others such as, the stories should be about the fight not the ideals realized. For example #cyberpunk is about the fight against the corporate powers not the dystopia as a whole. Solarpunk stories should take place in a dystopia, not a paradise.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@justinkd Yeah, that I can definitely agree with. To be fair, I have a similar problem with Steampunk - it should be labour strikes and riots, not tea parties on airships.
Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 5, 2024
@eldritch48 Yeah like yeah show the wealthy and "nobles" but also the servants poisoning their drinks.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@justinkd And gutters....dirty, stinking gutters where people build lean-tos. If you don't show how evil the upper class is, it's not punk.
Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 5, 2024
@eldritch48 Agreed, for me the solarpunks are more like the Green Guerillas from the '60s I want to say might of been later, but yeah reclaiming green space for the betterment of the city.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@justinkd The only thing with that is that showing how the upper class use "solar" to keep the peons down is a lot harder....and that's what you'd have to do to make a real "Solarpunk" Perhaps if the rich had that solar-powered tech, and the only thing the poor had were sticks and the light of the sun...
Show thread8Mar 5, 2024
@eldritch48 @justinkd solar powered water cannons is just cyberpunk though. Solarpunk is where you have to ask around to find the old person who knows about the book about how the servants poisoned all the rich people and lived happily ever after. If that's what insolates your wafer.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd That's like calling a story a "horror" story because the grandfather sits in a bright living room telling the young-uns how he beat Dracula.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Or, in less polite, but more punk terms - "Fuck that." Solarpunk is mainstream bullshit appropriation for marketing purposes.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd and I agree that solar powered water cannons are cyberpunk....hence why the entire "genre" of Solarpunk is bullshit.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Once again, I have zero problems with eco-utopian stories, I think we need more of them. Just keep them away from my punk, it's as ridiculous as "Solar Noir" would be.
Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 5, 2024
@eldritch48 @octarine_wiggle that would also apply to cyberpunk too, in your logic sir.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@justinkd @octarine_wiggle My definition of an "xxx"punk story is "A dystopic society where the lower class takes and repurposes the technology of the upper classes to try to get ahead." That works for cyber, steam, diesel, and perhaps even atom.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@justinkd @octarine_wiggle The only story I can think of that might even come close to actual "Solarpunk" would be Brave New World.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd We *could* have a "Solarpunk" genre, it would be a Conservatives wet dream - it would talk about how thought and freedom of the people have been constrained and made illegal in order to create a bright and cheery society where everyone is happy.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd You would have to make your happily ever after world an evil place.
Show thread8Mar 5, 2024

@eldritch48 @justinkd nah it's not evil, it's heterogeneous, albeit sorely lacking in diverse references due to the commercially appropriated aesthetic of western concrete-and-steel urban settings with plants on top which would be entirely inappropriate to build from scratch en masse in a setting that prioritises appropriate technology.

It's also not utopian. It's just better than this. This is the dystopia, and we don't always need another cartoonish reflection of it to want something different.

Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Sure. You can want something different. I love eco-utopian sci-fi. You just can't appropriate my culture.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd All are welcome to the tribe of 'punk', but you can't claim the name without the ethos to sell books.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd When someone with a lifetime of being punk tells you something isn't, you can chose to argue, but it's a shitty thing to do, and makes you sound like an appropriating white person. "I like the term, so I'm using it." is pretty damn disrespectful.
Show thread8Mar 5, 2024
@eldritch48 @justinkd ok pithiness aside for a moment, synthesizing a diversity of traditionalism with a forward looking technological society at scale that doesn't shie away from discussing limits to growth means you're imagining a society with a functioning political steady-state that's distinct from organising the struggle against a single oppressor. One example cited as a solarpunk reference is News From Nowhere (1890), a very white, very privileged, mediaeval larping rural utopia which also happens to go into lengthy detail about violently unmaking Victorian England and disavowing imperialism. Is it solarpunk? I'm not sure. Separate from whether it's solarpunk, what do you do to analyse whether it's punk?
Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 6, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @eldritch48 beautiful point.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 6, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Punk - anger, aggression, a refusal to be satisfied with the scraps they give you - rebellion that is almost always doomed, and you know it, but you do it anyway. Punk is a more visceral outgrowth of "Noir". A feeling of powerlessness.
Show threadSeth RutledgeMar 6, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @justinkd Was talking over on the FB about this too, and a friend suggested "Solarcore", which I like a LOT. "At its core, a story about sustainable tech and our relationship with it." 100%. On board.
Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 6, 2024
@eldritch48 @octarine_wiggle #solarcore interesting like cottagecore, maybe for more of the eco utopian stories but, I still like solarpunk for the non utopian stories. You see like I have stated before I want the fight stories. "The fuck you for building this city to not include nature stories." To me that is a punk story.
Show thread8Mar 6, 2024

@eldritch48 @justinkd a trope I see hanging out on this hashtag is that you need the political element to be solarpunk, otherwise you're just doing greenwashing, cottagecore, or you're a prepper with a solar panel.

Also there's the idea that solarpunk tech is just what we've already got used appropriately, so solarpunk isn't scifi it just happens to look a lot like it.

I'm down for more solarcore scifi.

Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 6, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @eldritch48 I would not say "need a political aspect" more so a authority aspect as villain. Examples are corporations, police, rivals that counter the punk ideology, etc.
Show thread8Mar 6, 2024
@justinkd @eldritch48 I am coming around to the idea of needing a villain but I'm not sure it's enough - maybe solarpunk doesn't need the happily ever after the villain is vanquished so much as it needs the next day after
Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 6, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @eldritch48 think similar to cyberpunk the only difference is the motivation of character, cyberpunks its die young and be a legend, solarpunk could be fight for tomorrow.
Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 5, 2024
@eldritch48 @octarine_wiggle I think that is a little extreme Seth. To be honest in the "Solarpunk" terms the majority do want the eco utopia story. But for many others it is the same grip you have about steampunk. There are many paths for punk to exist in said generas.
Show threadJustin Kuhn-DennisMar 5, 2024
@octarine_wiggle @eldritch48 you see solarpunks are those of us today trying to get a better future that reconnects with nature, back from the corporate or government ruining. The hope is the eco utopia as a result. This is accomplished through defying those authorities that seek to profit from control of nature and humanity.