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Tim McNamaraDifficult for a job ad to have a red flag in every sentence, but not impossible apparently.
Flaki@timClicks i am wheezing
Gus@timClicks wow, that's legitimately indistinguishable from satire
Peter Amthor@projectgus @timClicks was thinking the same, this cannot be real.. but then again...
Shine@timClicks Sooo, they pay like 20k€ / month, right? So one can save up for inevitable burnout and therapist expenses.
Andreas K
Inga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸@shine @timClicks the ad says "$80-$120k", and I'd presume this means one is going to be a contractor and pay all the taxes yourself.
So for Germany, this is probably an equivalent of 65-95k€ per year in salary (maybe 57-85k if this US billionaire does not pay for vacations)... which reminds me of that one company, you know which one
So for Germany, this is probably an equivalent of 65-95k€ per year in salary (maybe 57-85k if this US billionaire does not pay for vacations)... which reminds me of that one company, you know which one
child of baphomet@shram86 @shine @timClicks in Germany, too. The difference is that in Germany, social security and health insurance contributions are split in half between the employer and the employed, so a contractor needs to make ~1.2x the salary in order to get the same net income as they would if they were employed with a salary, even if all else (including job security, vacations, etc) is equal.
Joel D@shram86 @IngaLovinde @shine @timClicks in the US if you are single and have no dependents you would pay a 16% effective rate on $120k of wage income. Health insurance premiums should be added to that to compare apples to apples with other developed countries.
@joeld @shram86 @shine @timClicks I'm not comparing between countries though.
The billionaire is looking for Java engineers in Europe, for $80-120k of presumably contractor money (otherwise the sum would be quoted in euros), so I'm comparing it with European salaries. If an engineer in Germany would sign a non-employment contract with said billionaire for $80-120k, that would be roughly equivalent to them signing an employment contract with a local company for 65-95k€ (or 57-85k€ if the quoted amount does not include typical 5-6 weeks of vacation).
This is more on a low side in Germany, and that's not even counting that they won't be protected by labor law.
So this incredible offer sounds like a joke in EU (in Germany at least; i'd imagine in other western European countries too).
I don't know if that's an okay salary in US, or what net income would it imply in US. I don't think it's relevant, because job and seems to be for Europe.
The billionaire is looking for Java engineers in Europe, for $80-120k of presumably contractor money (otherwise the sum would be quoted in euros), so I'm comparing it with European salaries. If an engineer in Germany would sign a non-employment contract with said billionaire for $80-120k, that would be roughly equivalent to them signing an employment contract with a local company for 65-95k€ (or 57-85k€ if the quoted amount does not include typical 5-6 weeks of vacation).
This is more on a low side in Germany, and that's not even counting that they won't be protected by labor law.
So this incredible offer sounds like a joke in EU (in Germany at least; i'd imagine in other western European countries too).
I don't know if that's an okay salary in US, or what net income would it imply in US. I don't think it's relevant, because job and seems to be for Europe.
@IngaLovinde @shram86 @shine @timClicks sure ok. I was more responding to the claim of 40% tax directly above me. FWIW this would be a laughably low offer in the US as well for the position described.
@joeld @shram86 regarding taxes, FWIW, the salary of 60k€/year (more of an entry or medium-level for developers here in Germany, depending on the specific location), would cost the employer around 72k€/year, and would net the worker around 3050-3450€ a month (depending on the bunch of things). That's take-home sum, after statutory health insurance (which covers dependents as well), after social security contributions, after unemployment and accident insurance, after typical 5-6 weeks of vacation per year (legal minimum is 4 weeks), and with typical legal labor protections (of which there aren't much in Germany on non-union jobs, but still there are some: e.g. overwork is somewhat limited, they cannot just fire you unless there is a reason (layoffs can be one) _and_ they warn you in advance, etc).
@IngaLovinde @joeld that's so cool!
@joeld @IngaLovinde @shine @timClicks this is pretty wrong. You aren't including federal income tax or fica/state insurance. Health premiums, 401k, etc (things that should be provided but you need to pay into) are deducted directly from pay, and I feel justified in including that as well.
100k equals about 2500/paycheck. So yeah, your "taxes" are about 40%.
@joeld @IngaLovinde @shine @timClicks
Here is a helpful calculator for my area. https://smartasset.com/taxes/north-carolina-paycheck-calculator#ayTcUv1O5U
It doesn't include options, just end take home pay.
@shram86 @IngaLovinde @shine @timClicks OK. Not going to belabor it because taxes are complicated, but it’s roughly what I make in MN (a higher-tax state than NC) and my paychecks are more than that. Looking at individual paychecks is misleading because they are muddied by withholding calculations, which are necessarily based on incomplete info about your actual total tax liability for the year. It is the total tax liability based on marginal tax brackets that you should be looking at.
@IngaLovinde @timClicks Compared to this, that one company didn't brag to be a billionaire financed product you have to work on overtimes and weekends though 🙃
@shine @timClicks it didn't pay that much though 😅
Kayla Eilhart (en)
Joel Wirāmu, Pauling
Maddie (MIGRATING SOON)@mjdxp Also C#
Potato Enthusiast 🇵🇸@timClicks @mjdxp the product already launched and so there's been no official back end dev....
Ariane 
Noxie@Br3nda @timClicks @mjdxp oh and don't forget they're intense ... The only stuff I want intense in my life are my girlfriend(s) and my coffee 
Like... Also what's the pay ? Only 120k ? MAX ? I'd expect at least one of a senior engineer at AMD/Intel/etc if I'm gonna speedrun burnout.
Moose Jolly Holcomb
David L
Sam Stephens
Kawaoneechan@timClicks @mjdxp no no
it's #C
Andre
Adlangx
Berto Garcia@lightninhopkins @timClicks @mjdxp it's probably "sharp C knowledge", they are looking for someone very good at C ☝️
NSKE
Miles
Alexia 
@mjdxp Compose Multiplatform maybe? 🤔
(that's kotlin though...not sure if that runs in a native JRE on iOS too)
(that's kotlin though...not sure if that runs in a native JRE on iOS too)
Cédric Levasseur@mjdxp @timClicks I thought the same. But it's for writing the backend part, that will communicate with the iOS app, probably.
@timClicks just in case someone feels like looking into those "principles" on gdocs... Would appreciate a synopsis 😉
DaanWilmer@amthor @timClicks I had a look, and it's more of the same hyper-agressive bullshit:
"Super fast, concise communication" but "no jargon" (guess why jargon exists, dipshit)
"Speed only" so fuck technical debt
"war mode 24/7" so fuck being able to recharge
"infinite ambition" so fuck getting any satisfaction from what you've made
Also "no planning" and "no customer surveys", lol
@timClicks Ok I'll commit myself: definitely sarcasm, and then I have to say it's spot-on. Thanks for the precise summary @DaanWilmer
Andromeda Yelton@DaanWilmer @amthor @timClicks ooooh, building things really fast with no PM or UX, this is definitely a way to find product/market fit </sarcasm>
miridescent@timClicks and the pay is a joke if they want to be "competitive"
@shram86 If you were the right person, you wouldn't do it for the money.
@timClicks 😂 jeez where are my priorities
Joxean Koret (@matalaz)@timClicks @shram86 I'd do it to get burnt out within a month and spend the rest of the short time until bankruptcy recovering while getting paid (if they are indeed Europe-based)
@DaanWilmer @timClicks I was gonna say the only reason to do it is if you know you want to get laid off within a year
refraction 
@timClicks @shram86 do it for the burnout
Marcos Dione@shram86 @timClicks 80-120 is not bad for Europe, I think...
SkjeggtrollThe product has already launched and they're only now hiring their first dedicated backend engineer?
You know, I'm not so sure an applicant will actually get to work with "the most brilliand people in the world."
Έλλεν Εμίλια Ά.ζ.@skjeggtroll @timClicks well a team of one person has uniform brilliance
Nicole ParsonsWorking for Bill Ackman?
Heck no!
After what he did to Claudine Gay at Harvard?!?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/jan/11/bill-ackman-wife-plagiarism
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-wife-neri-oxman-mit-dissertation-plagiarism-2024-1
Ivan Enderlin 🦀@timClicks Hahahah, exceptional 🤣
Raptor's Nest (He/Him)@timClicks It doesn’t read like it was written by an adult…
Chip@drmambobob @timClicks Yeah, the bit where the new thing will be the #1 app in the whole world sounds like a toddler.
Alexandre B A Villares 🐍@DinosaurRobo @drmambobob @timClicks or Donald Trump, which, well, has much of the mind of a toddler.
Chris Johnson@drmambobob @timClicks Guesstimating the CEO’s age from LinkedIn says he’s between 22 and 26 years old. So pretty much a kid, yeah.
Jorkin MahJongus@timClicks feel like the ChatGPT prompt for this was "write a tech job posting that's super intense"
Left Field Farm@timClicks Oh hell no. But you know someone will take that.
Rachel Lawson@timClicks @glynmoody always name and shame on things like this. Why should the identity of the employer be protected?
(Although, in this case, I doubt the advert is actually real)
Filip Radelic@rachel @timClicks @glynmoody I’m afraid I can confirm it’s real. Briefly worked for him a couple years ago (via an agency, didn’t know much beforehand), still trying to wrap my head around it 😅