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Mike McHargueIt's wild how, "Car manufacturers elected to electrify the premium and luxury segments of their product lineup and interest rates are sky high," gets turned into, "people don't want electric cars," in the media.
Cheap EVs are amazing! The Model 3 and Bolt EV were so popular. China is moving affordable EVs in incredible quantities.
Camerondotca@mike it's interesting to me still that EV cars are getting so much press and that every study says electric bikes are the actual big game changer. But then again the auto industry has really good lobbying.
@camerondotca electric bikes are indeed amazing, and a good way to get killed in Los Angeles.
@mike which is, in and of itself, at the root of the issue, yeah? (also hello, I miss our chats).
@camerondotca We lead North America in per capita cyclist deaths a year.
@mike I can imagine. Infrastructure, not paint.
đđłď¸âđPollute_my_lungs@mike @camerondotca driving a car in LA is a good way too get killed too.
glutto@mike @camerondotca
Normal bikes will do that, too. I nearly got run over by a cab about an hour ago and I'm nowhere near L.A.
Normal bikes will do that, too. I nearly got run over by a cab about an hour ago and I'm nowhere near L.A.
Sze Hui@camerondotca @mike that, and a lot of Americans can't see past bikes = toys. Part of why I insist on riding a #CargoBike to Costco is to maybe show people around me that bikes don't just have to be toys
@szeis4cookie @mike I mean, the push back here in Montreal is fascinating.
@camerondotca @mike really? I came to visit back in August and the experiencing the REV was mind-blowing.
@szeis4cookie @mike âthe snow gets cleared firstâ âwhy donât they have a licence/pay taxes/dieâ âparking!â âWhat about the disabled?!?â â[insert variety of words about sexuality here]â. âThe mayor is killing downtownâ
@szeis4cookie @mike there is an ongoing injunction about a new bike path. There are a number of "oh ho ho 15 minute city" people. A lot of the media isn't helping (a bike and pedestrian underpass under rails was spun as bike only, and the cost was mentioned in a vacuum)
hybrid havoc@mike Still so many wrong assumptions or misinfo out there too. I was talking to my mother just the other day about wanting an EV, and her primary concerns were that there aren't a lot of charging stations around here, and the EVs that died waiting in line to charge during the winter storms.
She seemed genuinely surprised that charging at home was even an option.
Bynkii@mike some points: The Bolt is on the upper end of cheap, the Model 3 is not.
The closest place to my house I can charge a car is a mile away. Assuming the chargers are working. No garage, old house. Itâs also a problem for folks living in apartments that arenât putting in any kind of chargers.
An ICE car, without a lot of work, can run well for 1-2 decades. EVs canât, a real problem for folks who canât just drop $300+ a month forever along with increased insurance costs.
@mike I can do a lot of repairs on my accord myself. EVs are less home/third-party repairable than an iPad. If you own one out of warranty, $$$$
Increased tire replacement and EV tires are $$$.
Winter is real and to date, EVs fuckinâ suck at winter.
I donât think EVs are dead, but theyâve def. hit the limit of MFers with the money and resources. Thatâs setting aside infra issues like grid, the massive rebuilding of roads/bridges their increased weight requires, etc.
@mike and if we took mass transit as seriously as we do EVs, we would need less cars in population centers, which is a far bigger win than 1:1 ICE -> EV replacement.
But Elonâs elitism/racism towards mass transit is shared by many across the honkie spectrum, so not happening.
Louis Cyphre@mike Have a 3 year old Bolt. Charge every night on a 110V charger. Get about 190 miles per day per charge. use about 50 miles a day. Have another car for distance but mostly use the Bolt. Total cost has been very low
Zep@mike I am still waiting on the dumb EV to show up
What I want is a 99 Toyota Camry but powered by electricity
Poor 'Possum@Tiezep @mike If we need to own cars, I wish the economy car would make a comeback... or maybe these funky little people movers:
@poorpossum @mike the economy car was sacrificed at the alter so 7+ year long auto loans can live
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Maxilo OveritEurope is making an under $10K city car conversion so popular that they can't meet their commitments, and this in a continent with widespread mass transit. In most of the US mass transit was killed, is being killed, and the idea poisoned by bad city planning, and now add to that corporate decisions are guiding us rather than us guiding them to what makes sense. Which is a 90% lower human impact on natural systems, which means significantly less private transportation, by the end of the decade.
Shawn in Montreal@mike also this today:
Electric vehicles are finally turning a profit for Stellantis, CEO Carlos Tavares said Thursday, and, in contrast to some rivals, it will not cut back on producing EVs.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/15/business/stellantis-earnings-electric-vehicles/index.html
Vicente@mike @Tiezep Also, worth noting that in the US we are in the middle of a major transition of charging standards, from CCS to NACS.
It is not a terrible idea to wait a year or two if you donât need a new car right now, so you get the more future proof version. This is certainly having some impact on sales.
Aphrodite (recharging)ah but in our dystopian society
where the only measure is money
of worth, not valuing humanity
we share, is it any mystery
why the poor are perceived
as lesser by schmucks in towers ivory?
:)
Mungus@mike capitalists desperate to make the "John Galt persecuted by communists" thing seem real
Raleigh Straight@mike The auto industry has been paralyzed for years by a need to other electric cars. They *must* be niche, or weird-looking, or somehow exotic. Tesla gets credit for making electric cars that actually look like cars, which was progress, but even then. Genuinely innovative and affordable startups like Canoo and Aptera struggle to get capital while Rivian fields a six-figure, 7,000 pound beast and wonders why it still can't make any money.
For all that we're supposed to admire capitalism for disruption and innovation, there's been precious little of either.
Green capitalism.
Now the rich can speak to their pet politician about how they're saving the climate while flying on their private jet.