You can't go after stupid with logic.

You gotta go after it with equally, if not more outrageous levels of stupid.

If am embryo is a kid, go for child support from the date of conception.

Sue for life insurance rights/benefits.

Get voting rights lowered by a year since the time in the tummy counts as life.

Just do the most outrageous things you can possibly think of and get legal precedent set based on the new state of stupidity.

You can only fight stupid with stupid.

Go do your best stupid.

BTW, in Canada, about 20 years ago, a brilliant comedian named Rick Mercer showed us how this was done.

At the time, the right wing nut jobs led by a man named Stockwell Day tried to kill same sex marriage legislation by campaigning on citizens being able to demand referendums by gathering enough signatures on a petition.

Mercer then decided to show us exactly how this was done by getting thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of signatures to hold a referendum on Stockwell Day changing his first name to "Doris".

The campaign promise was quietly dropped during the election. He also failed to become Prime Minister (thankfully).

@chu I miss Rick as a weekly feature.
@chu oh geez, if I had fuck-you money I'd so bring back The Mercer Report on an as-frequently-as-Rick-wanted-to schedule basis.
'Doris Day' petition hits the mark | CBC News

CBC

@rob

Ha. Thanks for finding it.

One of the first petitions I signed

@chu @PonderStibbons And the stupidest conceivable right to go for on behalf of embryos is ... GUN OWNERSHIP!

@cstross @chu @PonderStibbons The most chaotic right to go for on behalf of feetilized eggs?

Citizenship.

@opendna @cstross @PonderStibbons

Yes!

Citizenship, voting rights, tax deductions. Do it ALL!

@opendna list as dependents on taxes?
@acm_redfox @opendna Honestly, I want to see people with frozen embryos do this. If those embryos are now considered "people", then the cost of storage should be a tax deduction. It's now all part of child care.
@julescelt01 @opendna totally! has to be in Alabama, but I think they should take deductions on state taxes, at the least! decision was just in time for tax season!
@cstross @chu @PonderStibbons hate to say it, but for long guns they've already got that right in Alabama. They can't buy them from a licensed dealer (federal law), but the only law that forbids handing an embryo a sniper rifle is physics.
@uberduck @chu @PonderStibbons Okay, so how about concealed carry?
@cstross @uberduck @chu @PonderStibbons Wouldn't be allowed, unless the embryo is 19 years old.
@mdm @uberduck @chu @PonderStibbons I see a potent platform for the NRA's minions to campaign on! Crossing the streams between unborn children and gun rights, all it needs is more Jesus!
@mdm @cstross @uberduck @chu @PonderStibbons that clock now starts at fertilization, yes? Do we have an upper limit on how long an embryo can be frozen? Could someone then be born with a legal age of 19+?
@joshourisman @cstross @uberduck @chu @PonderStibbons It would be interesting if Alabama adopts the traditional Korean system of age-determination (IIRC, in Korean culture everyone is born with an age of "1", since they count the (roughly) year spent in-utero as age).
@cstross @uberduck @chu @PonderStibbons assuming the embryo was implanted, I'm guessing it would have to be?
@cstross @chu I think it will be fire code occupancy limits.

@chu so. An embryo frozen for 18 years is an adult?

It certainly seems to fit the ruling.

#soundStupidToMe

@slott56 @chu it has a social security number and can vote!
@mmby @slott56 @chu So legally they can be married?
@ariaflame @mmby @slott56 @chu just think of the arranged marriages that could happen before they are even children
@MattFerrel @mmby @slott56 @chu I'm just waiting for someone to marry one for their inheritance.
@chu so those 6 frozen children at the lab count as tax deductions, right?

@chu adopt an embryo as a service:

don't have your own embryo? you can rent one!

@chu You can't afford to keep the embryos frozen? Surrender them to the state. Alabama's problem now.
@uninick @chu given the high incidence of pedophilia among religious GQPers, this seems terribly unfair to the embryos.
@chu "You think the moon landing was fake? So you say you believe in the moon?"
@chu ask your supreme court if your *current* president can kill his political opponent with impunity.
@chu Insist that all very early miscarriages require a full funeral for the embryo. Also, in states where oak trees are protected prosecute people who tread on acorns since, by their logic, acorns are trees.
@mikewaghorne @chu Nooo. That will fall entirely on the grieving families, and won't touch anyone in power.
@wiredfool Do you think that states that pass these laws care about grieving families or protect those without power?
@mikewaghorne This isn't going after it with more levels of stupid, this is additional weaponizing the existing stupid. This is a logical, direct progression from the prosecutions for abortion from a miscarriage.
@wiredfool Perhaps you failed to see that I was being cynical, not serious
@chu The problem is if you do this you're accepting the right's perspective, and they're so crazy that they will probably consider the stupid things reasonable and embrace them. And then everything's even worse!

@cherold

If there's one thing conservatives hate, it is giving non billionaires money/rights.

@chu sounds like you also just lowered the retirement age.

@chu True example: In 1979, homosexuality was still classified as a mental disorder in Sweden. Gays in Sweden started calling in sick.

Around two months later, homosexuality was struck from the list of mental disorders.

Source (in Swedish): https://da.se/2017/06/de-sjukskrev-sig-for-att-bli-friskforklarade/

De sjukskrev sig för att bli friskförklarade

Fram till 1979 klassades homosexualitet som en sjukdom av Socialstyrelsen. En sjukskrivningskampanj och ockupation ändrade på det.

Dagens Arbete

@gufo

Exactly this kind of thing.

The money walks back on stupid once it costs them money.

@gufo @chu tempting as it is to think of a Lysistrata- or general strike-style approach, there would be a vastly higher incidence of abuse and murder of the people going on strike than was the case in Sweden - or ancient Greece as well, probably.
@gufo @chu fascinating how quickly a capitalist will abandon their supposed morality once it starts to cost them real money.
@chu
I'll just warn you that some states will see your insurance proposal and raise you an employment contract:
https://www.kcur.org/health/2023-05-09/a-missouri-agency-tried-to-classify-a-fetus-as-an-employee-raising-concerns-about-personhood-laws
A Missouri agency tried to classify a fetus as an employee, raising concerns about personhood laws

When a woman and her unborn son were killed in the course of her Missouri Department of Transportation job, her family sued for wrongful death — but the department argued they're shielded from liability becauseher fetus counts as an employee.

KCUR

@myersjustinc

Was the fetus paying income/payroll tax? Where's it's vacation pay? Backpay for 6 months of unpaid labour as an employee?

@chu I believe getting child support from the date of conception / more financial support in general would unironically help conservative's goals of having less abortions because 73% of people who have an abortion mention their economic situation as one of the reasons for it [1]. But of course, that's not what conservatives want, because it would be a social program that does actual good.

[1] https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives

Public discussion about abortion in the United States has generally focused on policy: who should be allowed to have abortions, and under what circumstances. Receiving less attention are the women behind the statistics—the 1.3 million women who obtain abortions each year1—and their reasons for having abortions.

Guttmacher Institute

@fleckenstein

They will do anything to avoid giving non-billionaires money.

@chu
I doubt the pro-birthers would agree with child support to be paid from conception but it makes perfect sense. It costs you extra to go through pregnancy and have given the baby a good start in life especially now they are discovering exposure to maternal stress hormones in utero can affect the future mental health of the child.

@chu I like this plan.

But some of the fighting that turns this over may be internal on the far right.

Childless couples pouring everything they have into IVF come from many faiths, but there is a desperate edge to some of the Christian families doing this, as they seem to feel a sort of frantic obligation to have kids.

Making it impractical/impossible/illegal for those folks is going to make for some ugly fights within their own ranks.

@chu I mean, this and also: the IVF industry is worth $23bn a year in the US.

This is DeSantis vs. Disney all over again. It's a culture war that can only succeed if some of the world's richest people and their extremely high end lawyers just lay down and die.

@chu It’s convincing the fool, they’ve been taken for a fool. But if they already pride themselves on being the fool... The ‘miracle’ of modern fear ignorance & prejudice.
@chu The only downside of this strategy is... it working, and now the law is 10x more stupid.

@Crell

are you actually worried that Republicans will allow laws that give non billionaires money?

@chu I am highly mindful of strategies that sound great but blow up in the implementor's face.