It sounds like a lot of mastodon people want to post in public but also have everybody leave them alone as if it's not public. As far as I can see, their current strategy for achieving this is yelling very loudly in public posts hoping everyone else will see it and then shift everything around in order to accommodate them.

It's a bold strategy. I look forward to finding out if it works.

@polotek the way people flip out about federating data on a service explicitly designed to federate data is rather interesting. You’d think that if you wanted to have a private community you’d post to a private encrypted service instead.

Kind of similar to people being mad about people using data off their public accessible to the world websites. If you publish it to the world, expect the world to access/download it.

@HitokiriEric @polotek There is legitimately room to be mad at *scraping* of one's activity, regardless of whether it takes place in "public", by parties that don't follow the protocol announcing themselves as followers, honoring blocks, deleting posts the author deletes, etc. But yes I see a lot of ppl upset at federation being used as intended too...

@dalias @polotek I get that scraping makes everyone mad.

But it’s fundamentally how the open internet/protocols works. You can try to use copyright and the courts to fight it after the fact for webpages or terms of service agreements. Just that fundamentally, if there’s something you cannot allow to be scraped, then you can never allow yourself to put it on the open internet.

It doesn’t mean the open internet has no value either. It’s just a very important design trade off. And for other things where you need different trade offs you need to use tools that work differently.

@HitokiriEric @polotek There's a huge difference between technically possible, legal, and socially acceptable.

Bulk aggregation (scraping) of records of people's activity in public places without their explicit & genuine consent should always be socially unacceptable.

In some jurisdictions it's illegal. It probably should be illegal.

Of course it's technically possible. Just like it's technically possible to follow on the street with cameras and microphones...

@dalias @HitokiriEric @polotek The funniest thing is that this bridge has nothing to do with scraping, it uses ActivityPub to follow people that someone wants to follow and forwards the posts that they push using ActivityPub over the bridge. There is no scraping, automatic bulk fetching and aggregation up front or anything like that. But people like to be angry about their own vision of how something works…
@mackuba @dalias @HitokiriEric @polotek I mean I am not sure this semantic bullshit matters. But I get that you are saying a domain block on brid.gy does no good whatsover since they are creating parasitic accounts. Good to know except and FWIW people aren't angry about their vision of how something works. Not angry at all in fact, just don't want to know how it works or have anything to do with assholes and have to deal with the shitty behavior. It's not even remotely funny.
@nf3xn @dalias @HitokiriEric @polotek It's not "semantic bullshit", people in that thread wrote things like: "the moment he goes live, he pulls in data from over 100,000 California mastodon users" or "the data you have already captured pre-launch" and then get angry about it, while it's just not how it works. It doesn't "scrape" any data from the whole Mastodon, it will just follow someone *when someone requests that* and the pass on their posts.