Americans, mostly women, are becoming more liberal: Gallup

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Americans, mostly women, are becoming more liberal: Gallup - Lemmy.World

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years, but women are becoming even more liberal, according to Gallup. The survey data, released Wednesday, shows that while the country remains largely center-right, the percentage of those identifying as or leaning liberal has increased over the past three decades, and is now just 1 percent under it’s all-time high. Roughly 36 percent of adults identify as conservative, 25 percent as liberal and the rest identify as either moderate or unsure, according to the poll. When broken down by gender ideology, women in the youngest and oldest age groups said they were more likely to identify as liberal. Women ages 18-29 were 40 percent more likely to be liberal in 2023, a slight decrease from 41 percent in 2022 and 44 percent in 2020, but still higher than the 30 percent in 2013. Those ages 65 and older were 25 percent more likely to identify as liberal — a slight increase from the 21 percent reported in 2013.

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years

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The American political landscape doesn't even have the left on it.

In all honesty, it's really fucking depressing that despite the blatant and open attack by one party on women's rights, and the complete impotence of the other to restore, or hell, even fucking address what bare minimum rights they once had, outside of a campaign speech, more women haven't realised that no one in the system is serving them, and shift to the actual left, but sadly the propaganda seems just too powerful (or on some cases, the other privileges still too comfortable to risk, even in the face of loss of autonomy to the state).

Agreeing with the morality of elective abortion does not equate to hating women or supporting women’s rights. There are a lot of women that are feminists that don’t support elective abortion. And it’s not something that you need to be a woman to have an opinion about considering it’s not just a woman’s body at stake.
Question for you. When there are shortages on organ donor lists that will cause people to die, should the government be able to compel heathy individuals to donate organs they don’t need? What about for blood shortages?

It’s not about bodily autonomy and so I reject the premise of your comparison. But to further through you askew I do support mandatory vaccination. The answer as with so many things is “it depends on the situation”.

It’s good to have principals but it’s also important to live in the real world and understand when there are exceptions because there are exceptions to every rule and only fundamentalists disagree with that.

Only sith deal in absolutes.

But it is about bodily autonomy. You are advocating to force people to use their bodies against their will. And most people who support these policies don’t ever have to worry about it happening to them.

You are right that the real world needs exceptions or compromises. I’ll just never understand that why we need to compromise on the rights of the “unborn” vs enacting policies that would do a lot of good for those that are living and suffering instead that doesn’t force people into losing choices over their own bodies.

I’m insisting that they not murder their unborn child because they failed to use protection or didn’t contemplate that sex makes babies. Bodily autonomy has nothing to do with it. You sacrifice your bodily autonomy to an extent when you get pregnant. That ends when the child is born.

So do you support abortion in cases of rape where the woman didn’t choose to have sex?

Not that it matters of course. As we see the reality of anti abortion laws generally push for few or no exceptions, so rape victims have to continue enduring trauma for something they have now control in.

If you asked me how to really reduce abortions, then I would suggest comprehensive sex education, along with free and easy access to contraception to everyone, as well fostering environments that respect consent so women can feel safe saying no. Again, after all of that I’d still draw my line that gives women over the rights to their bodies. But to support outlawing abortion before any of those things just seems like supporting cruelty in the face of more effective options.

Yes as I’ve said many places and I probably should have been more clear in my original comment there should always be exceptions for rape, incest or when the mother’s health is in life threatening risk.
So if someone is on the pill at gets pregnant it meets your approval for an abortion? If they are using condoms and still get pregnant it meets your approval for an abortion? Rhythm method? Pulling out? Where do you draw the line and why do you get to decide? I don’t think many people are using abortion as birth control. It’s usually economic pressure, and sometimes health issues. I am a woman who had a bunch of kids and wouldn’t abort but outlawing abortion has had no good consequences anywhere, anytime, for anyone. Just make contraception free and safe, that is what actually reduces abortion. Making it illegal just harms women.
I draw the line at rape, incest, or when the mother’s health is in life-threatening risk. Statistically these make up less than 15% of all abortions.