Americans, mostly women, are becoming more liberal: Gallup

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Americans, mostly women, are becoming more liberal: Gallup - Lemmy.World

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years, but women are becoming even more liberal, according to Gallup. The survey data, released Wednesday, shows that while the country remains largely center-right, the percentage of those identifying as or leaning liberal has increased over the past three decades, and is now just 1 percent under it’s all-time high. Roughly 36 percent of adults identify as conservative, 25 percent as liberal and the rest identify as either moderate or unsure, according to the poll. When broken down by gender ideology, women in the youngest and oldest age groups said they were more likely to identify as liberal. Women ages 18-29 were 40 percent more likely to be liberal in 2023, a slight decrease from 41 percent in 2022 and 44 percent in 2020, but still higher than the 30 percent in 2013. Those ages 65 and older were 25 percent more likely to identify as liberal — a slight increase from the 21 percent reported in 2013.

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years

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The American political landscape doesn't even have the left on it.

In all honesty, it's really fucking depressing that despite the blatant and open attack by one party on women's rights, and the complete impotence of the other to restore, or hell, even fucking address what bare minimum rights they once had, outside of a campaign speech, more women haven't realised that no one in the system is serving them, and shift to the actual left, but sadly the propaganda seems just too powerful (or on some cases, the other privileges still too comfortable to risk, even in the face of loss of autonomy to the state).

Agreeing with the morality of elective abortion does not equate to hating women or supporting women’s rights. There are a lot of women that are feminists that don’t support elective abortion. And it’s not something that you need to be a woman to have an opinion about considering it’s not just a woman’s body at stake.
Question for you. When there are shortages on organ donor lists that will cause people to die, should the government be able to compel heathy individuals to donate organs they don’t need? What about for blood shortages?

It’s not about bodily autonomy and so I reject the premise of your comparison. But to further through you askew I do support mandatory vaccination. The answer as with so many things is “it depends on the situation”.

It’s good to have principals but it’s also important to live in the real world and understand when there are exceptions because there are exceptions to every rule and only fundamentalists disagree with that.

Only sith deal in absolutes.

But it is about bodily autonomy. You are advocating to force people to use their bodies against their will. And most people who support these policies don’t ever have to worry about it happening to them.

You are right that the real world needs exceptions or compromises. I’ll just never understand that why we need to compromise on the rights of the “unborn” vs enacting policies that would do a lot of good for those that are living and suffering instead that doesn’t force people into losing choices over their own bodies.

I’m insisting that they not murder their unborn child because they failed to use protection or didn’t contemplate that sex makes babies. Bodily autonomy has nothing to do with it. You sacrifice your bodily autonomy to an extent when you get pregnant. That ends when the child is born.

So do you support abortion in cases of rape where the woman didn’t choose to have sex?

Not that it matters of course. As we see the reality of anti abortion laws generally push for few or no exceptions, so rape victims have to continue enduring trauma for something they have now control in.

If you asked me how to really reduce abortions, then I would suggest comprehensive sex education, along with free and easy access to contraception to everyone, as well fostering environments that respect consent so women can feel safe saying no. Again, after all of that I’d still draw my line that gives women over the rights to their bodies. But to support outlawing abortion before any of those things just seems like supporting cruelty in the face of more effective options.

Yes as I’ve said many places and I probably should have been more clear in my original comment there should always be exceptions for rape, incest or when the mother’s health is in life threatening risk.

You didn’t “go one further” than me, it sounds like we both are advocating for free and easy access to contraception. Either way I’m glad you support that at least.

You say that most pro life people aren’t extremists, but the ones that write the abortion ban laws seem to lean into the extremes, so by supporting them you are supporting those extreme positions. And even when the laws still have exceptions, those with means can go get an abortion elsewhere for whatever reason they want. So the laws primarily effect those who probably didn’t have the means to get other types of birth control as well. And in some cases people who actually want to have babies but need to suffer because these laws can prevent care because of government intervention between health care providers and patients.

You say yourself that there are other methods of reducing abortion, so why advocate for the one that seems less effective and promotes cruelty?

I don’t and I don’t actually normally care all that much about abortion but when I see crazy radical talking points like I have in this thread it makes me more of a pro-life activist. Left or right I have very little patience for nonsense.

Looks like your real enemy are all these strawmen that you keep building your arguments around.

You dismiss my views on bodily autonomy by saying that we who support that stance also support mandatory vaccines when you are the only one advocating for that here. BTW, I don’t support mandatory vaccines, but I do support getting vaccines and think by supporting better education among the general population, vaccine rates would stay in the range for heard immunity to kick in for those that can’t or just don’t want them for whatever reason.

In my view supporting abortion ban is the extreme position here. One that has caused a lot of very real hurt and pain. Way more pain than someone making comments that unborn babies are parasites. I’m sorry that made you uncomfortable, but swinging your support behind the crowd that has caused women to suffer in response seems like a weird reaction to me.

And when I bring up putting your support behind less extreme policies that would actually do more to address the reasons women seek abortions you go off on me about fighting political extremes? What a fucking laugh.

I didn’t read your post. Just a nasty last part of it so I knew it wasn’t worth reading. It’s a trick from Reddit. A lot of the time people will pretend to build consensus and like rapport with someone and then turnaround and be nasty. It’s a pretty passive aggressive and weak way of dealing with people.
So if someone is on the pill at gets pregnant it meets your approval for an abortion? If they are using condoms and still get pregnant it meets your approval for an abortion? Rhythm method? Pulling out? Where do you draw the line and why do you get to decide? I don’t think many people are using abortion as birth control. It’s usually economic pressure, and sometimes health issues. I am a woman who had a bunch of kids and wouldn’t abort but outlawing abortion has had no good consequences anywhere, anytime, for anyone. Just make contraception free and safe, that is what actually reduces abortion. Making it illegal just harms women.
I draw the line at rape, incest, or when the mother’s health is in life-threatening risk. Statistically these make up less than 15% of all abortions.