FlumPHPHasbro Seeks to Sell IP “DND” and Has Had Preliminary Contact with Tencent
AlteonEverything about that is absolute cancer.
Everyone’s favorite TTRPG going world stage corporate. Fucking yay…
How is that different than now? DnD fell apart because Hasbro is a world stage corporation, they’re just trading it to another world stage corporation which will kill it further until they pass it on too.
Whatever you remember liking is long long dead.
ExcrubulentBut now it’s being bought by a global corporation that’s run by non-white people, and that’s scarier for reasons that I refuse to interrogate further.
Delete this.
I genuinely can’t decide if this is being downvoted by people who think I’m being sincere, people who don’t like their racism being called out, people who think I’m defending a global corporation, or people who think I’m a tankie. Maybe it’s a mix of all four.
What reasonable person could read your post as anything but sincere racism? An “/s” goes a long way.
(Though I’m not sure in this case that would have been enough to keep you from getting downvotes. Would have made your post sound like you thought everyone who thought Tencent owning D&D was a bad thing thought so for racist reasons.)
And you misused the word “interrogate.”
A reasonable person might read the phrase “for reasons I refuse to interrogate further” and realise that’s far too self-aware for an openly racist person to say.
But you apparently noticed that I said “interrogate” and you think I… used it wrong? I am genuinely curious what you think that word means in the context of that phrase, and what you think the phrase itself means.
FaceDeerI downvoted it because it's racism out of nowhere. Whether you're being pro-racist or ironically anti-racist hardly matters, it's just an unwelcome and unwarranted jump to this subject that nobody cared about.
EdibleFriendNobody was trying to make this about race except you my man. That was the very first place your mind went. Which probably isn’t a coincidence because, in my experience, the people screaming look at me look at me I’m not racist usually turn out to be the most racist motherfuckers you will ever deal with.
So like… what’s it about then? Can you explain why Tencent is worse than Hasbro?
Its in general about their properties and how they handle them. I seriously doubt most of the people here, other then race obsessed people like you, could even tell you where tencent is based. Could even tell you who the nationality of the people in charge are. I sure as fuck can’t. I have heard the name several times in the past but, honestly, until now until I saw you posting this I thought they were an American company.
Because, you know, I don’t obsessively check the race of everything before I make a decision about it.
You didn’t explain what about Tencent was bad in any clear way, and you didn’t compre it to Hasbro, so you haven’t answered the question.
And last time I saw Tencent brought up it was about their investment in Epic, and there were loads of comments about social credit and winnie the pooh. It’s not hard to notice the problem.
Contrary to what a lot of racists would like you to believe, noticing racism is not the real racism. But do go off about how much I’m virtue signalling.
The big issue is they are just another huge shitty corp that will bring no value, and more importantly will 100% be sitting on this property for a very long time. If it got sold people would hope it would go to someone good, someone who would bring something positive too the property, people who might turn things around and put real heart and soul into it.
Ok so…YOUR TURN! You are defending tencent so hard, making it so clear anyone who doesn’t like the poor company is only against them because of racism. There has to be something amazing about them that you know that will change all of our minds? Because, honestly, right now I’m reminded of all the ‘if you didn’t like the movie it means your sexist’ crap we got with girl ghostbusters.
and you didn’t compre it to Hasbro
I answered the issue. People are mad that its getting sold to another horrible corporation who will 100% sit on the property for years and has zero chance of doing anything good with it. This is flat out saying ‘D&D’ has no chance of going up from here. This is a big nail in the coffin. I don’t know how to explain it simpler then that, and the fact that you glossed over me explaining why people are against this shows you don’t really want to discuss the subject you just want to keep crying racism because you have a massive hardon for this company and you must defend their honor at all costs.
Seriously…why are you so defensive of this company? Do you have stock in the company or something? I really don’t think its you desperately trying to prove you aren’t racist like i did in the beginning…but there is something weird about this my man. You just…really really really want this company to be good in our eyes. You want so hard to prove that naysayers are only racist.
You literally didn’t answer the question. The person I was replying to asked how this acquisition is any different to Hasbro, since they’re both evil corporations. If you don’t talk about “Hasbro” in your reply then you haven’t answered the question. It’s pretty straightforward.
you have a massive hardon for this company and you must defend their honor at all costs.
Seriously…why are you so defensive of this company? Do you have stock in the company or something? I really don’t think its you desperately trying to prove you aren’t racist like i did in the beginning…but there is something weird about this my man. You just…really really really want this company to be good in our eyes.
My favourite genre of bullshit is inventing fantasies about what the other person said and then berating them for it. Literally find a single good thing I’ve ever said about the company. I’ll wait.
Jesus christ my man. Ok, i haven’t spelled it out exactly, haven’t used this exact set of words but i guess it needs to be said. Its not that they are worse. Its that this sale means years and years more of horrible shit, when a sale COULD have meant it going to someone good. I have been saying that over and over very clearly. I just didn’t use the words hasbro when saying that so i guess the way you scan a sentence didn’t pick up on that? Would you like me to explain that a fourth time?
And no…you have not said a anything good but for half a day now you have been insisting the only reason people don’t like them is racism. That implies that they must be good. You have to understand that right? If they are only hated because of race? That means there is no real problem with them in your eyes?
Its not that they are worse.
Then you could have just said that. You didn’t.
a sale COULD have meant it going to someone good
To whom? Please name a corporation that you believe would be able to buy an ascendant property like D&D that isn’t an evil megacorporation.
Holy fuck it’s been 3 days dude fucking drop this. I’ve explained so much why I think this isn’t about race and you just won’t shut the fuck up.
Lol, if I had to guess I’d say you just saw a downvote pileon and thought, “well this person is obviously wrong, I can get some easy jabs in while they’re down”. You didn’t expect me to have something reasonable to say and now you can’t take the L.
That’s what happens when you can’t be bothered to pay attention to what people are actually saying.
3 day ive been on your mind man. 3 days. this is just…so pathetically sad. Move on. I’ll help. You are right. It’s all racism. You, and you alone, are the shining beacon of racial tolerance in a sea of horrid savages.
Now, please, move on. I honestly completely forget you exist until you keep popping back into my life to scream racism but…its time for you to move on with your life.
I’m okay, thanks. If you want this to stop you can just stop replying, but that would require you to not get the last word in, wouldn’t it?
If you’re still mystified about why it took me three whole days omg to reply, I hadn’t looked at my inbox in that time.
It’s fascinating how other people have whole entire lives and internal worlds isn’t it?
Christ man. Just…christ. OK. Yep. Ill have to be the one to stop because just…holy fuck dude. Good luck in life, your gonna need it.
It’s fascinating to me that the tone of your replies show how very upset this exchange is making you, but you insist on projecting that emotion on me. That’s a bad sign. If you can’t learn to interrogate your own feelings and responses you’ll never acknowledge them and grow as a person.
I’m starting to think this unconscious racism idea hit a little close to home for you. As they say, a hit dog will bark.
nobody is addressing it.
That’s because nobody is saying Tencent will be specifically worse for D&D than Hasbro has been.
The person I replied to brought up the comparison by asking how it’s any different, and I was responding to that. People are acting like that context doesn’t exist.
Who’s saying Tencent owning D&D is worse than Hasbro owning D&D?
Hasbro has thoroughly fucked D&D over. My expectation is that Tencent will find different and novel ways to fuck D&D over. I doubt Tencent will be significantly better or worse for D&D than Hasbro. But then D&D (and WotC more generally) was mostly beyond redemption before news that Hasbro was trying to sell it off.
The comment I replied to was asking that exact question, and I was pointing out that the only reason to think they are any different is probably rooted in racism, as a lot of the panic surrounding tencent has been in my experience.
Joncash2’s comment? Please explain the 4-dimensional calculus by which you interpreted that comment to have said anything about Tencent being worse (for D&D or just in general) than Hasbro (or better, for that matter).
Have you read the comments? Like, actually read them? For understanding? For tone?
“If no one explicitly mentions that their feelings are about race, then they’re not about race!”
Something about the way you worded the first paragraph makes it read as if you are stating your opinion and not mocking the reason most people go “Tencent bad”. I had to re-read a couple times to understand it. I do agree with your critique.
joel_feilaHave an upvote for scarcasm
Just asking, is there some sort of “Open Source DND”?
How close is Pathfinder to that?
Pathfinder 1e had a good license and would be very familiar to D&D 3e players. Pathfinder 2e has a great license but would have a bit of a relearning curve for D&D 5e players.
Tales of the Valiant is probably the closest to 5e with a great license.
Pathfinder 2e Remaster (which isn’t out yet) is the most “open source D&D” thing there will be any time soon.
And Pathfinder 2e (non-Remaster) is the clostest thing there is right now.
Kata1ystThe remaster is out!
What’s the remaster do to it? I’m sure it’s a lot, but does anyone have the cliff notes?
Small improvements and cosmetic changes appear throughout, but outside of a few minor changes in terminology, the changes are not anywhere substantive enough to be considered a new edition.
Pathfinder Second Edition Remaster Project!
Don’t quote me on it, but I’m pretty sure the remaster was about removing anything licensed under OGL so they could license it under ORC.
Yes, also allowed for a very nice balance and QoL pass on a few classes.
Ah got it! Thank you.
I think Tales of the Valiant is closer to D&D 5e and also licensed under ORC. Either is a great option for people looking to leave D&D though.
vOwOxel didn’t ask anything about 5e. Just about “DND”.
mynamesnotrickSeriously… where’s the repo? Lol.
This is fantastic!
remoteloveHere might be a good start for you: wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems#Open_Gam…
Just because of the nature of those games, I would speculate that the page above is just a fraction of what is available.
No. Don’t trust the OGL. WOTC tried to “revoke” the OGL last year in a way that would fuck over all 3rd party publishers. People raised absolute Cain and WOTC kinda sorta backed down (kinda sorta) but there’s no guarantee the OGL is safe moving forward. To the point that Paizo (makers of Pathfinder 2e) are reprinting all of their Pathfinder 2e materials to remove anything that could remotely depend on the OGL.
There are other licenses listed besides the OGL. Good feedback though.
XhieronGood of you to ask. It’s entirely possible to play D&D without buying any official materials (and you should play it without buying anything Hasbro currently sells, but that’s just my opinion).
In fact, you can find a more or less complete set of rules for most versions of D&D just by searching combinations of the version you want and terms like “SRD” or “wiki”. Some of these will lead you to officially hosted sources, and some not, but the great thing about D&D is that Hasbro can’t ever sell it away from players.
I’m not going to provide any links to anything because someone will accuse me of breaking the rules, but D&D isn’t Hasbro, and it wasn’t even really TSR. It’s just collections of rules, and game rules are not patentable. Hasbro owns a copyright in the 5e PHB’s written content (and some trademarks on trade dress and some terms), but crucially it does not own the way people play D&D. Ergo, in a matter of speaking, Dungeons and Dragons is already open source. If you’ve got a pen, some paper, and a fistful of dice, you can play. Less is more.
Having said that, many folks believe that the best versions of D&D aren’t in print anymore anyway, but even if 5e is your version of choice (and to its credit, it has a few marks in its favor), I’d recommend checking a used book store before getting worried about whether this rumor ever amounts to anything. Hasbro can sell D&D, or not, and millions of people will happily keep right on playing D&D every week without ever giving them a dime.
D&D’s 5e SRD was released under CC-BY. It only includes one subclass per class and a handful of monsters, but it’s all the rules.
Tales of the Valiant and Pathfinder 2e both have SRDs licensed under the ORC license and are based in D&D-type gameplay.
FATE is a different type of TTRPG that has a SRD licensed both under OGL and CC-BY.
Powered by the Apocalypse is a different system and has a permissive, but hand-wavey license.
Of all of these, ToV is the most like 5e without being controlled by a multi-national, public company.
I’d suggest checking out the EN World Advanced 5E. It’s open source, way better than basic 5E, and the creative team is very pro-player.
Try DC20
katy ✨I prefer Dungeon World which has D&D flavor on different dicing mechanics but others have posted other systems closer to familiar D20 system.
China buying up everything
This would never have been put up for sale if Hasbro had taken care of it, regardless of who buys the IP from them I doubt they can do worse.
Let’s says Tencent does buy the IP, they could bury it but where is the profit in that, there is also nothing to divide up and parcel off.
Worse case we get what we have now and we all complain about the same things we are complaining about with Hasbro.
Whoever buys the IP will want to make money, so let’s hope they look at the community concerns and try to course correct the mess that Hasbro has made.
I just don’t trust tencent. They are to China like Facebook is to America in terms of casting large nets for data gathering. I agree Hasbro should let dnd go to a better care taker, but if it’s Tencent I don’t know if I’d be able to trust any official dnd software.
Luckily, dnd is well established as a physical medium, so the impact wouldn’t be too big, but the principal still stands
NegativeLookBehindDefinitely gonna get enshittified