just because I hate linux it doesn't mean I want to use windows
wow people make some weird leaps sometimes
i just hate computers, this is normal for anyone who likes computers
@babe this is the most relateable thing you've ever said
@babe computers were a mistake in general I think
@gavi @babe Worst mistake since coming down from the trees.

@babe

Oh god thank you yes.

@babe Anyone who uses computers a lot and doesn't hate computers frankly isn't as smart as they think they are.

@Fruan @babe I don't hate computers. I've been a programmer for almost 50 years, and know how to make them do useful things.

I do hate the arrogant, self-centred jerks responsible for a lot of the software we're stuck using, and who force crapware on us because it makes them feel important, sweeping any criticism away as politically incorrect.

I am talking about both commercial and volunteer, proprietary and open-source crapware. There is no ideological silver bullet.

@babe

the absolute worst I am so glad to have even the most vaporous connection to someone who feels as disconnected as anybody must in a world of computers that only do their job a fraction of the time rather than doing their jobs in a fraction of the time

@buermann @babe small but important distinction!
@babe yet you use them, curious 
@babe a thousand times this
@babe yup. My family always assumes I love technology in all its forms. Truth is I hate it but like it when it done well and responsibly.
@babe as the owner of despise.computer, i second this
@babe yeah yeah we all hate computers but how do you feel about printers‽
@cibyr Abolishing the State would fix this
@babe I'm in an eternal conflict because I make a decent living from being reasonably adept at making computers do things but also absolutely despising them
@babe After spending all day diagnosing hardware failures, BSOD's, and broken software in general, I can safely say I understand this sentiment. Also, Windows is a nightmare, one I have had to endure reinstalling for the second time in a month.
@babe @marcello3d i thought all programmers hated computers, but apparently some of them actually like them?? bizarre.
@babe
Also: Don’t personify computers. They hate that!

@nekodojo @babe mine feels like she works better when i do personify her

but also she's cursed in general

@babe Back in the mainframe-in-a-computer-room days, I saw a sign taped on one such machine:

I really hate this damned machine
I wish that they would sell it
It never does just what I want
But only what I tell it

@brouhaha @babe Oh wow, I really must show this to my mother! She started programming (and sometimes designing hardware when it couldn't do what she wanted) back in the early seventies, and she always kept telling me two maxims: "The computer only did what you told it to, not what you wanted it to", and "The program doesn't work correctly because the computer does". I never knew about the poem, she will love it!
@mrrmot @babe Software systems have grown so large and complex that most of the time the computer is not doing what we tell it, but what other people have told it. We like to assume that those people told it well, but all too frequently we discover otherwise.
So the computer "doing what I tell it" mostly isn't true, although certainly much closer to that than to "doing what I want".
@brouhaha @babe Sadly true. As time goes by, I find that my "nope, that can't be right, that cannot possibly be my fault, that's either a compiler bug or a kernel one!" reactions prove to be right much more often than in my early know-it-all, it-couldn't-possibly-be-my-bug years. And don't get me started on hardware doing what Ohm and Kirchoff told it to, not what the chip designers thought they were telling it to...
@mrrmot
At one of my startups, the line was "if you didn't find a kernel bug yesterday, you probably didn't find one today either" (the application developer who was always blaming the kernel was *not* the dev who actually found two linux kernel bugs in 3 years, so "yesterday" was a bit of an exaggeration :)
@brouhaha @[email protected]

@mrrmot @brouhaha @babe

> …hardware doing what Ohm and Kirchoff told it to…

(fiddles with something electrical)

(ZOT)

“Ow!”

Ohm’s ghost: “You should have put up more resistance.”
Kirchhoff’s ghost: “That’s what happens when you insist on always ‘being in the loop.’”

@babe
anyone who doesn't hate computers haven't gotten deep enough into computers

@babe

I feel the same about all technology. I love it but I also hate it.

@babe I hate computers, professionally, for money
@babe
Computers are way better than people.
I hate people so much more than computers. 
@babe Sand that think is really sus, I must say.
@babe love/ hate only machine i will disassemble the instant it goes wrong..(except the hoover)
@babe This generalises. E.g., don't trust a car mechanic who doesn't hate cars.
@babe I absolutely love computers and I am also persistently mad at them. 
@Polychrome @babe I'm only mad at computers when I have to use Ubuntu Snaps or Windows
@babe It is criminal that I can’t like this post twice. F’n computers!
@babe Loving computers and not hating them multiple times every day for whatever reason? Impossible.
@babe "Odi et amo", Catullus
"Nec sine te nec tecum vivere possum", Ovid
@babe despite the vc-funded hype cycles, I've noticed the longer someone works in tech the closer they are to walking into the woods forever