Sergey KirienkoJan 30, 2024
Alison Creekside
Pillaged from BlueSky:
"20 years ago we were suing teenagers for millions of dollars because they were torrenting a single Metallica album and now billionaires are demanding the free right to every work in history, so that they can re-sell it.
The law only ever serves capital."
Jan 8, 2024 at 8:16pmWeb
Show threadyour auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦Jan 8, 2024
@AlisonCreekside yeah. where TF is the RIAA in all of this AI bullshit? their silence is deafening.
Show threadFifi LamouraJan 8, 2024

@blogdiva

https://musically.com/2023/10/11/riaa-adds-ai-vocal-cloning-to-notorious-markets-submission/

@AlisonCreekside

RIAA adds AI vocal cloning to ‘Notorious Markets’ submission

US labels body the RIAA has made its latest submission to the US Trade Representative’s annual review of ‘Notorious Markets for Counterfeiting and Piracy’.

Music Ally
Show threadAlison CreeksideJan 8, 2024
@fifilamoura @blogdiva RIAA vs. The People.
"Among those sued was Brianna Lahara, a twelve-year-old girl living with her single mother in public housing in New York City.23 In order to settle the case, Brianna was forced to apologize publicly and pay $2,000."
https://www.eff.org/wp/riaa-v-people-five-years-later
RIAA v. The People: Five Years Later

September 2008 I. Prelude: Sue The Technology II. Phase One: DMCA Subpoenas by the Thousands III. Phase Two: Mass John Doe Lawsuits IV. Personal Effects = Devastating V. Fighting Back VI. Phase Three: Targeting Higher Education VII. Is it Working? What to Do Instead On September 8, 2003, the...

Electronic Frontier Foundation
Show threadFahri Reza 🍉Jan 9, 2024

Kill the chicken to scare the monkey or some such proverb.

@AlisonCreekside @fifilamoura @blogdiva

Show threadCourt Cantrell does not complyJan 9, 2024

@dozymoe @AlisonCreekside @fifilamoura @blogdiva

The immortal words of Weird Al Yankovic....

https://youtu.be/zGM8PT1eAvY?si=PwchZGo4lcLr10eI

"Weird Al" Yankovic - Don't Download This Song (Official Video)

Music video by Weird Al Yankovic performing Don't Download This Song. YouTube view counts pre-VEVO: 58,251. (C) 2006 Volcano Entertainment III, LLC

YouTube
Show threadyour auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦Jan 8, 2024

@fifilamoura @AlisonCreekside but they aren't going directly against OpenAI/Microsoft and whichever other companies creating the black-boxes they sell to third parties. Voicify is just a third party.

maybe they learned from the Napster backlash; BUT am not holding my breath. it feels a tad too complicit.

Show threadFifi LamouraJan 8, 2024
@AlisonCreekside Also, society can survive without ChatGPT and many of the AI tools being created. What actual value do the models of AI bring for society as a whole that isn't, in fact, negative value and harm? (This does not mean we couldn't find useful and actually constructive uses for these technologies but that's not what we're doing.)
Show threadLudovic Archivist LagouardetteJan 10, 2024

@fifilamoura @AlisonCreekside

The focus on making AI do what makes us human is something I feel is deeply wrong when they could do things we cannot

Show threadAlison CreeksideJan 10, 2024

@Archivist @fifilamoura Still early days for AI.

I worry that our blind addiction to capitalism over any other system of organizing ourselves on the planet will make many livelihoods redundant.

Recalling back when Alberta oilworkers were losing their jobs due to world oil pricing, tech bros were telling us those jobs were never coming back regardless if oil prices improved bc they were being hired to improve AI to automate jobs.

Meanwhile ChatGPT can't do crosswords 😏​
h/t @pbump

Show threadLudovic Archivist LagouardetteJan 10, 2024

@AlisonCreekside @fifilamoura @pbump

Well, to quote the title of an old artificial intelligence paper: Elephants do not play chess

Show threadZILtoid1991Jan 11, 2024
@fifilamoura
@AlisonCreekside
1) reducing the cost of art production through automation.
2) eliminating humans from art production, who might go on strike, get sick, have other ideas besides the media exec's vague idea, and might get terrified by a far-right government that takes theur right but would give low taxes to the media corporations in exchange of close cooperation.
Show thread𝓼𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓹𝓪𝓽𝓱【ツ】☮(📍🇨🇦)Jan 8, 2024
@AlisonCreekside
yes.
law and laywwrs and courfs were inveted by the rich, for the rich.
it serves legal experts and the rich against the masses
Show threadVisikdeJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside
The rules & who gets to write/enforce them, determine the winners & losers
Always have, Always will
Capital gets a seat at the table for the writing/enforcing, the rest of us are relegated to making the occasional binary choice or some other meaningless option for providing input
Show threadKris NuttycombeJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside @mcc profiting from the labor of others is literally the wealthy’s only trick.
Show threadAssegaiaJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside Because laws are written and enforced by the people in power. When these people break them, they just don't apply. Laws are inherently different from physics laws. A missnomer, they are enforced social rules.
Show threadᓚᘏᗢJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside the law protects but does not bind thee; binds but does not protect me
Show threadGeoffreyWinnJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside Well, that is bad.
Show threadJR FreemanJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside capitalism isn't an economic system; it's a philosophy, a system of ideas and policies, with the central tenant of favoring those with capital (money).
Show threadAsta [AMP]Jan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside I think way too much about Aaron Swartz every time I read another simpering whine from a capitalist about how small time writers and artists are just being big meanies

especially because what he was likely doing was apparently legal, but also, morally fucking correct.
Show threadDerek McEachernJan 9, 2024
@aud @AlisonCreekside Aaron Schwartz was the first person I thought about reading this.
Show threadJames AkersJan 9, 2024

@AlisonCreekside So true. Without capital, how will the lawyers that argue the cases be compensated?

Quite the interesting time for the idea of copyright. What was once intended to protect creators is now just another law.... Is the Holographic banana the new digital copyright?

Show threadHumbird0 FandomJan 9, 2024

@AlisonCreekside
I remember when "piracy" used to mean slaughtering people and removing their possessions.

Somehow it changed to: Clicking an unauthorized link.

Show threadProf Prachi SrivastavaJan 9, 2024

@AlisonCreekside @hannu_ikonen

Unless one is an academic who leaves out quote marks.

Show threadGuyWithLagJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside it's the golden rule: those with the gold make the rules.
Show threadOstfriesinJan 9, 2024

@AlisonCreekside

It has always been like this and it probably ever will. They would not be billionaires without being ruthless, more like modern pirates, taking whatever they like, want... forcing law around it. Funny though when in a democracy the law should be made for the majority and protect (artist's) property. But even major artists sell their music to companies in the end to cash in, turning songs into shares, used and twisted to the companies' benefit. Money mostly seduces in the end

Show threadCyJan 9, 2024
Yes, but the solution to this isn't suing billionaires for millions of dollars. It's not letting people sue teenagers for doing fuck all. There was no right to sue them in the first place.
Show threadMichael HartleJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." -- Frank Wilhoit
Show threadKyle StewartJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside the Metallica case radicalized my high school self. Circa 2002 I was walking around my rural school in an anti-RIAA t-shirt soapboxing, and no one had a clue what I was going on about.
Show threadJProl 🌍🎶💾🆓🐦Jan 9, 2024

@AlisonCreekside Back to traditional democracy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy#Antiquity

Piracy - Wikipedia

Show threadDerek Caelin is writing a bookJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside Oh my god it's actually true. 😑
Show threadDan 🦺 DeboerJan 9, 2024

@AlisonCreekside Wilhoit’s Law, evergreen.

#WilhoitsLaw

Show threadKovachJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside They serve greedy and rotten people, money is a tool.
On the contrary, Stephen King fought with a pirate (and not only him), and this is not
prevents you from earning large sums of money.
Show threadEichi🐺Jan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside The punishment for willingly owning St. Anger cant be high enough
Show threadJulesJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside imagine a carpenter would walk into somebody else‘s workshop, buld furniture with their ressources, and sell the result without asking for permission and paying them for the use of their equipment and material. That‘s just theft, and nobody would ever think otherwise
Show threadgalarJan 9, 2024
@AlisonCreekside Impossible to create unless we break law - then don't. Simple. Not sure law was meant to be optional...
Show threadLordJan 10, 2024
@AlisonCreekside i'm torrenting everyday, but i now promise that i'm training an ai !
Show threadEamonnMRJan 11, 2024
@AlisonCreekside That username slaps
Show threadAlison CreeksideJan 12, 2024
@EMR 😉​
Show threadERATJan 12, 2024
@AlisonCreekside
OMG too true.
These "end-stage capitalism" jokes get sharper and sharper.
Show threadAdrien PlazasJan 16, 2024
@AlisonCreekside I was looking for stupid pro-IP things capitalists say and that one is perfect, thanks!
Show threadThe Penguin of EvilJan 30, 2024

@AlisonCreekside And 20 years ago a million kids listened to Metallica, learned to play Enter Sandman badly and went and wrote their own stuff in time legally.

The real questions are not about using it, but then copying it and what degree of influence is copying. "AI" reading/listening to content is good, it's the same law and rights that lets you read content, lets search engines and screen readers work.

When it starts sharing, redistributing stuff well beyond "influenced by" it's a problem

Show threadPanderito Jan 30, 2024

@etchedpixels @AlisonCreekside Not comparable, as the AI parrot cannot write its own Enter Sandman-derived song. It will redistribute a mesh of stuff.

So, it technically is violating several licenses at the same time hoping to rip so many people at once that it becomes unfeasible to sue them. There is no-one to "influence" on AI.

Show threadThe Penguin of EvilJan 30, 2024

@alfabravoteam @AlisonCreekside The AI and its owners probably signed no licence agreements so I doubt licenses of any kind have any bearing on the debate.

"derived" in the sense of "derived work" has a specific meaning, so if something was Enter Sandman derived it wouldn't matter whether it was generated by an algorithm (and calling it 'AI' is misleading IMHO), or by a human. It would be subject to copyright law and the Enter Sandman rights owner would own some of the rights.

Show threadDamian YerrickJan 30, 2024
@etchedpixels @AlisonCreekside The hard part for a songwriter is figuring out whether they went "well beyond influenced by." See, for example, George Harrison's accidental plagiarism of Ronald Mack's "He's So Fine" into "My Sweet Lord", resulting in a million-dollar judgment against Harrison. Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music.
Show threadThe Penguin of EvilJan 30, 2024

@PinoBatch @AlisonCreekside And probably even harder for an algorithm.

This is one thing that I think a lot of people do not understand. There is an enormous amount of caselaw on what is and isn't derivative and is nor isn't copying. None of that caselaw is likely to be invalidated or changed just because someone had a computer do it for them.

Show threadsofia ☮️🏴Jan 30, 2024

@AlisonCreekside i am mostly unreasonably amused by the name "Komm süsser Tod Howard" 🤣.

also capital has no interests, the state's law serves the state, and copyright serves to control the flow of information. initially it wasn't even the authors but the printers. it was a privilege for printers to copy certain works (hence the name), after the centralized mode of censorship became unviable.

Show threadadamriceJan 30, 2024

@AlisonCreekside Wilhoit conservatism:

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10005830-there-is-no-such-thing-as-liberalism-or-progressivism

A quote by Frank Wilhoit

There is no such thing as liberalism — or progressivism, etc.There is only conservatism. No other political philosophy actually exists; by the politica...

Show threadMark Kilby (he/him)Jan 30, 2024
@AlisonCreekside same teenagers perhaps?
Show threadGrafcubeFeb 1, 2024
@AlisonCreekside the discourse around generative AI usually mentions images, text, video, voice acting etc. but I've noticed that music is rarely mentioned. I found a few after a quick search and based on how they work and what they can generate, I'm willing to bet that they only used royalty free music (or maybe even music from less well known artists) to train the models. I think this is related to how trigger happy the music industry is but correct me if I'm wrong or missing something.
Show threadHoward CohenFeb 2, 2024
@AlisonCreekside MP3.com was sued out of existence for doing precisely what Apple does today: recognizing that a song being uploaded was already uploaded by someone else and forgoing a duplicate upload. Exactly the same thing. But, mp3.com allowed musicians to bypass the music industry for distribution, and that angered the musical powers that be.