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Eniko (moved ➡ gamedev.place)

I am very good at C#, and fairly adept at C. I'm also proficient in lua and javascript and can muddle my way through python and ruby. I've programmed emulators and virtual machines and dabbled in programming language development, including creating several lisps

And I refuse to ever touch C++. Just, nope. Not doing it. Screw C++

Jan 16, 2024 at 11:57pmWeb
Show threadEniko (moved ➡ gamedev.place)Jan 17, 2024
It's not that I haven't tried, mind you. I touched C++ in the past and it was an absolutely miserable experience
Show threadpyroJan 17, 2024
@eniko I think that the main thing that made me a rust fan was learning and using C++ for a project.
Show threadRev. GothAliceJan 17, 2024

@eniko I recall something about Doom 3 using C++ but only in name.

Carmack seemed quite enthused by it at that time and since, though. (From an interview: https://fabiensanglard.net/doom3/interviews.php#qc++)

[And, like, I am so, so sorry to invoke one of the Johns… 🤪]

Doom3 Source Code Review: Interviews

Show threadKatie 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️Jan 17, 2024
@eniko Rust is nice. Starting to get a bit overhyped at this point, there are rough edges that the evangelists have a bad habit of not acknowledging (or worse: diminishing) which can genuinely create a pretty shitty onboarding experience, BUT I do feel like there's something there.
Show threadEniko (moved ➡ gamedev.place)Jan 17, 2024
@347Online yeah I wanna learn rust cause all my pldev stuff seems to lead to reinventing the dang borrow checker
Show threadGorgeous na Shock!Jan 17, 2024

@eniko It was a lot of fun to me until I returned to the nested-templated monstrosity I created that couldn't run on a 486 let alone be compiled for anything leaner and I could barely untangle what I'd been trying to do after two weeks away from it and I decided "maybe I'm not ready for this yet."

And I'm still not, tbh. 😌

Show threadOblomovJan 17, 2024
@indigoparadox @eniko TBF C++'s situation was particularly bad in the 486 times. The template syntax is still … daunting, but both the compilers and the language have since become enormously better —if you can afford to rely on a modern enough version of it. We had a sizeable project that was held back to the old (C++98) standard for way longer than I was comfortable with because we needed to support older CUDA‌ versions, and when we finally dropped that requirement it was a breath of fresh air.
Show threadZorro Notorious MEB 😡Jan 17, 2024

@eniko My philosophy about learning programming languages before I retired was that unless there was a bigger paycheck involved, the language had to teach me a new programming paradigm.

Now it's, "Screw it - I'm sticking with R and Forth!" 😉

Show threadZorro Notorious MEB 😡Jan 17, 2024
@eniko And macro assembly ... it was my first language and I've enjoyed getting back to it after decades of Fortran, SQL, Perl and R.
Show threadOliver SchönrockJan 17, 2024

@eniko

Curious...

What was the issue?

I was away from C for a long time and did scripty dynamically typed languages for web for a long time. That got boring, so when I picked up C again, the inability to abstract was very boring. Simple things were too manual and boring.

So I jumped straight to C++ 14/17/20/23. Found not too hard, due to C exp.

I actually like it. Not super terse for everything, but you *can* do anything and abstract everything if wanted. The reach is 2nd only to C?

Show threadXarizzar Phantasma (玄)Jan 17, 2024
@eniko I wonder why? Honestly, I've done some things in C++, but I blame it on the projects, mostly. I studied Computer Science in a University, and in a project, the professor had us write a toy programming language using the preprocessor...
Show threadRobert Anderberg 🕹️Jan 17, 2024
@eniko Awww, poor old C++, it's ok really :)
Show threadlulolwenJan 17, 2024
@eniko Swear on my life, more than half of C++ programming is compile-time programming. It is _incomprehensible_.
Show threadRetro Swan 🏳️‍⚧️Jan 17, 2024
I agree with this 100%. It's absolutely the worst of both worlds.
Show threadAlien🍉Jan 17, 2024
@eniko it was my mandatory programming language at university 💀
Show threadPasadena CASJan 17, 2024
@eniko When I was studying CS in college, we were in a interregnum between the use of Pascal as the primary language of a instruction and the use of Java (which came out a few years later), so we used C++. That got use operator overloading and very dicey support for Templates based on which exact compiler you used but not, say, standard built-in string or list types. Ugh!
Show thread114NJan 17, 2024

@eniko I learned Rust specifically so I could do low-level stuff without needing to learn C++.

Say what you will about the borrow checker, but at least it makes sense.

Show threadmortJan 17, 2024

@eniko I really like C++, it's my comfort language a lot of classes of things, I find it enjoyable to use and write

But it's a language with a whole lot of terribleness. And compilers aren't making it better. You need to have done *a lot* (weekly+, for a decade) of template error debugging until the brain learns to filter out the irrelevant parts and find the nugget of info. And you need to know "this is an overload error", not try to read the 10000 lines of error.

What I'm saying is I get ya

Show threadfishybirdJan 17, 2024

@eniko same. had to do it in college to write a GUI program (of all things?!) and it was essentially 90% boiler plate. Ick.

Been hearing good things about zig recently though, only thing holding me back is how small the community is atm. Be the change you want to see in the world, I guess