R. L. Dane 
I meant for winter.
23/26 in summer (home/away), 18/22/20 in winter (away/home/asleep)
sotolf@rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam you sleep that warm? I usually turn off all heat in the room when sleeping, so I'm often down to single degree temperatures hen sleeping, I sleep better when the room isn't warm for some reason.
That (65°F) is a pretty cold sleeper for Texas.
Amin Hollon 🏳@sotolf @rl_dane @dm @roguefoam
I honestly have no idea what people here set their thermostats to; everything is in Freedom Units™©®.
Fahrenheit is the only imperial unit I'm a fan of. I think it's just a more sensible scale for temperatures within the range that humans experience.
For anything scientific/engineering, Celcius and Kelvin all the way.
@rl_dane @sotolf @dm @roguefoam
Why, though? The "32 as freezing" thing just makes zero sense.
With Celcius 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling, the two temperatures that are typically the ones that matter the most to humans. ;)
Because 0 is heckin' cold and 100 is heckin' hot.
In Celcius, 0 is pretty cold, and 100 is DEAD, EVER SO DEAD.
I think Fahrenheit makes much more sense for climate-related applications.
I will say that 0 Celcius is a pretty important number, because you need to be aware of freezing conditions.
But 32 Fahrneheit is quite nearly as easy to remember. ;)
@rl_dane @sotolf @dm @roguefoam
I don't know, I get confused about the 32 all the time. It's not remembering the number that's the problem so much as looking at a number and not recognizing it as freezing. When someone says "twenty degrees" to me, I do not and have never thought of that as below freezing immediately (and I used to use Freedom Units™©® for temperature). And you have to do math to figure out how far below freezing it is; with Celsius it's just the "how far below freezing" with a minus sign tacked on.
I don't know, I get confused about the 32 all the time. It's not remembering the number that's the problem so much as looking at a number and not recognizing it as freezing. When someone says "twenty degrees" to me, I do not and have never thought of that as below freezing immediately (and I used to use Freedom Units™©® for temperature). And you have to do math to figure out how far below freezing it is; with Celsius it's just the "how far below freezing" with a minus sign tacked on.
Ok, then how about a new unit with 0 Celsius as 0, and 100 Fahrenheit as 100?
@rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam at what amount of degrees would water cook then? celsius is great since one degree of it makes a difference.
mirabilos@sotolf @dm @roguefoam @amin @rl_dane what for other than breaking compat with all three of K, °C and °F?
@rl_dane @mirabilos @sotolf @dm @roguefoam
No, no, you're looking for this one:
@dm @rl_dane @sotolf @amin @roguefoam also, both:
- 100°F has no practical relevance (yeah it’s supposed to be body temperature but it isn’t, even when not including cats, humans have vastly differing base temperatures, and even then it’s wrong-ish as it’s 37.7̅°C while average body temperature is a bit under 37°C)
- americans never specify precise degrees anyway, they say "in the 60s" or "low 70s" at best
- 20, 40, 60 and 70 in Celsius have important meaning (average room temperature, too hot for a shower unless female, makes protein denaturate, heat at least this much for some time to kill many pathogens)
@rl_dane @sotolf @dm @roguefoam
Didn't xkcd already propose something like that?
@rl_dane @sotolf @dm @roguefoam
Whaaa? Is that how you remember it? XD
Sorry to break it to you, but the only kind of people that might remember it that way are tech nerds. ;)
@rl_dane @amin @sotolf @dm @roguefoam but even the degrees (hah) of the scale make no sense. Y’all mostly seem to be using only dekafahrenheit or pentafahrenheit, so you can just get rid of that stupid ⁹⁄₅ factor and the constant offset.
@rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam and then you ant to cook, work with steel or talk with someone outside your country and you sound like a dork :p
Not worried about sounding like a dork, but I did say elsewhere that I thought Fahrenheit was better in the context of weather, only.
But why is Celsius better for working with steel? Steel doesn't have state changes on any easily-memorized numbers in celcius, does it?
I do think celcius should he required for all science and engineering, though
@rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam so why would you have two different systems and have to convert between them? that makes no sense to me.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
🪐@ericjmorey @rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam not really, all countries except a few use celsius, that's not analogous at all.
Next time you visit the US, insist on only reading and communicating with Celsius and you'll see how the analogy works.
@ericjmorey @rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam first of all what does that have to do with anything? I never claimed the US did not use Fahrenheit, that would be an absolutely silly claim, your attempt at aking me look stupid is bewildering, I don't see what you think you'd get out of that?
Second of all, why would I go to the US? I have no wish to go there, and nothing that entices me to, I'm happy where I am, and as I've said 100s of times before when in Rome... do as the romans, that's why I did not Bicycle on the right side of the road when I livid in Japan, because hat would be a very silly thing to do.
You asked why it's used in the US. I provided an answer. Changing takes more effort than not changing, just like languages.
@sotolf @ericjmorey @amin @dm @roguefoam
YOU DON'T WANT TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES?!?
You don't want to spend five hundred dollars per month for really crappy health insurance?
Don't want to drive a car everywhere?
You don't want to have a moron fascist in control your country every other four years?
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU??? XD
@rl_dane @ericjmorey @amin @dm @roguefoam I'm just not interested in the US, I know cool people there, but the place in itself just isn't me :p
@sotolf @ericjmorey @amin @dm @roguefoam
Let me know if you ever wanna come visit.
Because, you know, misery loves company. XD
CJ@rl_dane @sotolf @ericjmorey @amin @dm I went off Fedi for just a bit and now I have PAGES of notifications from you guys' threads 😂
Not complaining but, we'll see if I ever find time to read all of that lmao
Not complaining but, we'll see if I ever find time to read all of that lmao
Dave@roguefoam @rl_dane @sotolf @ericjmorey @dm
Well, don't feel any obligation to if you don't want to. ;)
@ericjmorey @rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam as I said before it's not analogous to languages since almost every country has there own language, it's not the case that all people speak english except a small numbers of people that refuse to communicate in anything else than coptic.
@sotolf @ericjmorey @rl_dane @dm @roguefoam
It's also far easier to convert between C and F than to translate between any languages. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure most people in the US know how to do the conversion.
@ericjmorey @sotolf @rl_dane @dm @roguefoam
Really?
I know it was tought to me when I attended 1st grade in the US. And any science class is gonna teach it…
I guess people might forget it all once adults.
I'd bet that at least 1/3 of people in the US couldn't identify Texas on a map. Anything involving simple math that isn't tied directly to their livelihood, I'd expect at least 50% to not be able to of the top of their heads.
@ericjmorey @sotolf @rl_dane @dm @roguefoam
I'd bet that at least 1/3 of people in the US couldn't identify Texas on a map.
Seriously??? It's really not hard to recognize, at all. Very recognizable shape, the largest shape, the biggest sticking-out part of the overall shape…
@ericjmorey @amin @rl_dane @dm @roguefoam so because americans are lazy and feel like they are above using a fucking calculator I have to feed it to them blended up and in a plastic spoon so that they don't die from the fucking effort of converting a number? I do that shit all the time.. From miles, from inches and feet, pounds and ounces and from fahrenheit I don't just demand others to do it for me, that would be respectless and entitled.
@ericjmorey @rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam also you know what I do when I travel to another country? I learn the language spoken there at least enough to do basic communication, I don't go to a country expecting and demanding of them to speak my mother tongue, which is what americans do all the time. It's about respect, I use celsius as a standard unit of measuring heat because that's what 90% of countries use, why should I have to kowtow to a vocal minority? American exceptionalism and entitlement really goes on my nerves some times, I even learned your language since nobody else will go through the effort of even trying to learn a few courtesy phrases of mine...
I'm simply using the normal scale that's being used around me. It's effortless for me to use Fahrenheit, I'd have to put effort into using exclusively Celsius.
@ericjmorey @rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam when the fuck did I ever say you should stop putting words in my mouth...
I'm going to disengage now, because there is a clear breakdown in my communication which is bothering you. Sorry to have upset you. This topic isn't worth any sort of aggravation. My apologies.
@ericjmorey @rl_dane @amin @dm @roguefoam you keep putting words in my mouth that I never said, that's not communication breakdown, that is being deceitful on purpose, If it would be communication and not some "game" you're trying to win you'd tell me you misunderstood the conversation rather than using hostile power tactics. And this is just another one, rather than trying to communicate you lay blame and leave.
I apologized and didn't lay blame on you. Please respect my desire to disengage.
@ericjmorey you didn't apologize, you said there was a breakdown in conversation, no there was not, you where claiming I said things I never did, you don't get to just run away like you did nothing wrong, feel free to block me if you can't tackle actually being put on the spot, an apology only has value if
1 it is sincere
2 it actually says what it's referring to
3 it's not filled with more power plays
if you don't mean it, just don't apologise, that's way more honest, and is something I can actually respect rather than something fake. @rl_dane and @amin knows this, and when they know they aren't doing something bad or that I'm being just slightly annoyed about it they just don't and let me cook because in the end it doesn't matter, the thing is an apology is not just something one throws away to get someone off their back it's something that should have value, it's not worth it for me to say sorry if I'm not and will continue on doing something, then it's just hot air.
thedoctor@rl_dane @sotolf @amin @dm @roguefoam I prefer Kelvin for science but that's at least easily converted to Celsius.
Or maybe we all settle on Réaumur? Anyone?
@thedoctor @rl_dane @sotolf @dm @roguefoam
Yeah, Kelvin's the ideal for scientific purposes.
I think using Réaumur at this point is probably unlikely. ;)
@amin @rl_dane @sotolf @dm @roguefoam Ah sorry, I didn't realize we were having a serious conversation. My bad.
@thedoctor @rl_dane @sotolf @dm @roguefoam
You're fine, I'm honestly not sure whether it's serious or not either. ;)
Some subthreads have gotten pretty heated, others have been pretty jocular.
@sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane @dm @roguefoam
Well, that's different for everyone, I think.
But some of these were less storytelling and more "here is this dystopia I have envisioned, let me explain to you in excruciating detail why this is a problem and hint heavily at the similarities to the real world."
@amin @sotolf @rl_dane @dm @roguefoam I'm beginning to see why I didn't choose a career as a writer although, once upon a time, I dreamed of being one.
@thedoctor @sotolf @rl_dane @dm @roguefoam
It's definitely not the easiest path. ;)