nixCraft 🐧Why is the MacBook Pro so expensive? 🤔
Chip35@nixCraft As Steve once said: "I could crap in a box and it would sell"
Acvaristul Lenes
Octopus
lord pthenq1@nixCraft
It is not.
It is a computar that will last you like a top notch machine for at least 5 years and it could last 12 to 13 years total (like my MacBook 13 from 2012)
karunr
missed_sla@missed_sla @nixCraft
No you. You need the last version of the biggest machine because you do only very CPU intensive tasks.
For everybody else an Apple is very productive.
@pthenq1 @nixCraft You have no idea what I do or who I am, how I use or what I expect from my computers. If you're cool paying the insane prices Apple charges for their proprietary storage and soldered non-upgradable memory, I really don't care. It's your money.
Just don't go crying to the internet when your 8GB of shared memory isn't enough to do any actual work. Of course, you're always free to pay FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS for an extra 8 gigs of memory or an SSD big enough to actually use. Again, it's your money.
I repeat though, you have no idea who I am or what I expect out of my machines. I've been a Mac fan since the late 90's and currently have a small collection of PowerPC Macs. Until very recently I regularly used a 2011 i7 MBP, that I only stopped using because I gave it to a family member who could get more use out of it than me.
It's completely OK to like a thing and criticize it at the same time. Apple is a shitty anti-consumer company that makes good computers and phones. They overcharge for their products, they are hostile to their customers, they fight against your rights, and they think their customers are stupid.
Although, now that I think about it, nearly 30 years of reading garbage like this from Apple simps, maybe they're on to something.
Macs are great, iPhones are great, Apple sucks.
Miha Markič
Orb 2069@nixCraft
You can always get the amateur model, I guess
You can always get the amateur model, I guess
martenson@nixCraft it lasts a decade
Dr. Øhm@martenson
or even longer. I got an MBP Late 2011 and it's still working.
Chi Cuong Le@drohm @martenson @nixCraft
I bought a second hand lenovo for a few hundred bucks that I do not know how old it is (at least 15years old), and install Linux on the machine and it works perfectly :)
I bought a second hand lenovo for a few hundred bucks that I do not know how old it is (at least 15years old), and install Linux on the machine and it works perfectly :)
Manu@martenson
Literally every single pc I had lasted more than a decade
This is not special
@Manu I find that hard to believe. I had dells, lenovos, hps and all had only years of life. I think you are either very lucky or things changed since 2013 when I switched to mac.
@martenson
I still have my first pc working perfectly (win 95), an acer from 2004 which only has a missing esc key, and my assembled Dell from 2012 is still in use 🤷♀️
The only one that lasted two years was an acer... that was stolen
That's because I don't need to pay an outrageous amount of money to make simple maintenance like cleaning the fan, there's no need to search the black market for a superspecial magic screwdriver to open my machine, I'm way more in control of both my hardware and software and maintenance can be done anytime for free
I still have my first pc working perfectly (win 95), an acer from 2004 which only has a missing esc key, and my assembled Dell from 2012 is still in use 🤷♀️
The only one that lasted two years was an acer... that was stolen
That's because I don't need to pay an outrageous amount of money to make simple maintenance like cleaning the fan, there's no need to search the black market for a superspecial magic screwdriver to open my machine, I'm way more in control of both my hardware and software and maintenance can be done anytime for free
Kyle Carpenterpetition for Apple to release a Macbook Amateur for all us regular people
Scribe
Travis@nixCraft cause they are worth it
NEO//LIX 🔊@nixCraft You can buy any of them and be pretty sure that it doesn't suck completely (just in well known and mostly acceptable ways). Also they don't look and feel like toys, which is much appreciated on a psychological level.
tl;dr: MacBook Pros are so expensive because people are willing to pay the prices.
@neo @nixCraft
For 1600 bucks you get a notebook that can connects with 2 4k or 5k monitors, it has a GPU, an NPU, encryption by hardware, never ever a problem, OS updates for at least 10 years, and it is still a Unix with a long long autonomy in battery hours.
And it has a handsome screen and gorgeous sound with decent cameras and mic.
It is not that expensive compared with what you get.
Another story is if people can afford it or if everybody need something like this.
Matt@nixCraft Because of the increase in the price of nouns
Filippo Nova@nixCraft , because is the best personal computer with good hardware and os, and good support and user experience, and excellent support time. My first MacBook Pro 13” with i5 received ten years of updates. Now I’m using a MacBook Pro M1 Pro and It is a state of the art of the engineering.
bazkie bumpercar | unfluencer@nixCraft cause you pay for the brand
StratagemFor one: Apple Tax. It's one of those brands that's more expensive than the competition because.
But (disclaimer: I own a 2021 MBP), when looking at similarly specced Windows / Linux Laptops, the gap isn't that big anymore - especially when taking into consideration things like battery life and screen quality. Comparable machines like some of the Surfaces aren't much cheaper anymore.
That is of course only considering the base model MBPs, not getting any of Apple's insanely priced upgrades on RAM or SSD.
...
Last year, I got a new Dell from work, it was 400 EUR cheaper than the MBP, about 1.5 years younger... and it sucks. Battery life on Linux is a joke (4h), fingerprint reader works ~70% of the time, SSD is slower, intel graphics are intel, and the less said about the screen the better.
It feels like you either pay an outrageous amount of money for a "premium" laptop or get instant landfill.
And following Apple's example, all "premium" brands are overpriced af
Things suck
RamSDRAdmin (R3DHX)@nixCraft Good hardware and software just for it. It's like it was made to be used, not just sold.
Grum999 
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QaspR@nixCraft Because it has an Apple logo on the back.
bananas_pizza@nixCraft big batteries cost a lot, unique(in how shitty it is) design, 120 hz mini LED displays, glass touchpads with haptic feedback, glass on the screens, M-series chips are expensive to produce since they are really big and made on the most advanced nodes, memory and Research and Development to produce one of the most powerful CPU, unique GPU architecture and NPU. Add a whole lot a extra charging and thunderbolt ports licensing and here is a price. I wont ever buy them though
THT@nixCraft Because apple only cares about money
@nixCraft Hoping for them to get competition with the new snapdragon X elite laptops, no reason to buy macbooks after that(unless you are only buying it for the brand)
Martin Ingram@nixCraft In TCO terms they aren’t.
Sure, you can buy cheaper laptops, and I have done, but you get maybe 2 to 3 years of useful life out of them.
The MBP that I’ve literally only yesterday ordered a replacement for is a 2016 model. It’s been a fine development workhorse for all of that time, but Intel is being deprecated so it’s time to upgrade to an M3 Pro.
The old one will replace my 2009 model that is currently running ElementaryOS. And so on.
soup :)@nixCraft Quality comes with good decisions, hence, by being expensive, you can know that it isn't neither a good decision to take, nor is it of good quality
Eemon@nixCraft Cause it's a piece of shit lmao