girlfreddyJan 3, 2024

Biden under pressure to act amid new fears of ‘ethnic cleansing’ in Gaza

https://lemmy.ca/post/12540330

Biden under pressure to act amid new fears of ‘ethnic cleansing’ in Gaza - Lemmy.ca

Rights advocates in the United States are urging President Joe Biden to end his administration’s “complicity” in Israeli rights abuses after key members of Israel’s government backed the idea of pushing Palestinians out of Gaza. Far-right Israeli ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich said this week that Israel should “encourage emigration” from the coastal enclave, home to an estimated 2.3 million Palestinians. “If there are 100,000 or 200,000 Arabs in Gaza and not two million Arabs, the entire discussion on the day after [the war ends] will be totally different,” Smotrich said on Sunday, calling for the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians. A day later, Ben-Gvir, who oversees national security, made a similar appeal, saying it was “a correct, just, moral and humane solution”, Israeli media outlets reported.

Show threadgivesomefucksJan 3, 2024

For literal decades Biden has been telling Israel he’ll support them no matter what, but they need to worry about the optics of their actions…

He’s 100% ok with what’s happening, he just wishes they were quieter while doing it.

He’s not going to hold Israel accountable, because he knows the only other person Americans can vote for us trump.

So Biden sees no reason to stop supporting Israel, in a moderates mind it literally doesn’t matter because the Republicans would be even shittier. Which by some twisted logic means Biden can be just as bad and it’s not a negative.

It’s a great example of why “not a Republican” can’t be the bare minimum for the dem candidate.

Show threadViking_HippieJan 3, 2024

He’s not going to hold Israel accountable, because he knows the only other person Americans can vote for is trump.

The reason he’s starting to pretend to listen is that he’s losing in the polls.

Turns out that the electorate has a ridiculously short memory.

Turns out that the “I’m not the other guy” tactic is much less effective for an incumbent than a challenger.

Most shockingly, it turns out that continuing to ignore the rightful moral outrage of as many as half of your potential voters, maybe even more, is an extremely bad idea even if your opponent is objectively many times worse than you.

So yeah, as much as he hates it, he’s gonna have to do something different, or at least pretend to, and he knows it.

Show threadSCBJan 3, 2024

Most shockingly, it turns out that continuing to ignore the rightful moral outrage of as many as half of your potential voters

Strong disagree on this language.

jcpa.org/new-u-s-poll-raises-questions-about-amer…

Anyone in the 10% that thinks hostages or sexual assault is a lie, or that Jews overplay the fucking Holocaust, are not “rightful” and their concerns do not come from empathy, because they lack empathy as a concept.

New U.S. Poll Raises Questions about Americans’ Support for Israel’s War against Hamas

25% of Americans: Reports of Sexual Assaults against Israeli Women by Hamas – Not Reliable - New U.S. Poll Raises Questions about Americans’ Support for Israel’s War against Hamas

Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs
Show threadViking_HippieJan 3, 2024

Is it right to be morally outraged by an ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing and domicide? Yes or no?

The indisputable facts that Hamas has committed heinous terrorism and that the holocaust happened and was unimaginably awful doesn’t excuse the crimes against humanity committed by the Israeli government, so please pack your fucking whataboutism away.

Show threadTheSanSabaSongbird
That’s not whataboutism. Whataboutism is changing the subject to derail the conversation. This is simply addressing a different point of view in the same discussion.
Jan 3, 2024 at 11:37pmWeb
Show threadViking_HippieJan 3, 2024

No. Mentioning the opinions of uninvolved people IS changing the subject of whether or not genocide is bad and should be stopped.

A comparable if much lower stakes example would be if we were discussing whether or not it’s ok to say that Wings were better than The Beatles and then some rando chimes in to inform us that 10% of techno fans think that the world doesn’t need guitars.

Fun had, let’s return to the actual: 10% of the respondents of a poll saying ANYTHING doesn’t make genocide more or less acceptable and bringing it up in spite of that is a whataboutism, a distraction and a very crass way to try to derail the conversation.