For literal decades Biden has been telling Israel he’ll support them no matter what, but they need to worry about the optics of their actions…

He’s 100% ok with what’s happening, he just wishes they were quieter while doing it.

He’s not going to hold Israel accountable, because he knows the only other person Americans can vote for us trump.

So Biden sees no reason to stop supporting Israel, in a moderates mind it literally doesn’t matter because the Republicans would be even shittier. Which by some twisted logic means Biden can be just as bad and it’s not a negative.

It’s a great example of why “not a Republican” can’t be the bare minimum for the dem candidate.

He’s not going to hold Israel accountable, because he knows the only other person Americans can vote for is trump.

The reason he’s starting to pretend to listen is that he’s losing in the polls.

Turns out that the electorate has a ridiculously short memory.

Turns out that the “I’m not the other guy” tactic is much less effective for an incumbent than a challenger.

Most shockingly, it turns out that continuing to ignore the rightful moral outrage of as many as half of your potential voters, maybe even more, is an extremely bad idea even if your opponent is objectively many times worse than you.

So yeah, as much as he hates it, he’s gonna have to do something different, or at least pretend to, and he knows it.

Most shockingly, it turns out that continuing to ignore the rightful moral outrage of as many as half of your potential voters

Strong disagree on this language.

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Anyone in the 10% that thinks hostages or sexual assault is a lie, or that Jews overplay the fucking Holocaust, are not “rightful” and their concerns do not come from empathy, because they lack empathy as a concept.

Is it right to be morally outraged by an ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing and domicide? Yes or no?

The indisputable facts that Hamas has committed heinous terrorism and that the holocaust happened and was unimaginably awful doesn’t excuse the crimes against humanity committed by the Israeli government, so please pack your fucking whataboutism away.

It’s not whataboutism to demonstrate that an election-significant number of Democrats believe Hamas bullshit over reality, and that the number of people who believe that is enough to change Dem support from strong majority agreement with the President to disagreement.

It’s also not whataboutism to point out that nearly a third of people polled have generally no opinion on such basic things as “did the Holocaust happen” or “was the Hamas terror attack a big deal” or “does Hamas target civilians.”

War does indeed suck and you’re allowed to not like it and even use your irresponsibly inflammatory language, but it’s absurd to suggest these comments are whataboutism.

It’s not whataboutism to demonstrate that an election-significant number of Democrats believe Hamas bullshit over reality

Even if the pro-IDF propaganda piece you linked to had successfully demonstrated that, yes it would still be a whataboutism.

What Americans believe has no bearing on whether the Israeli government should be allowed to systematically slaughter and demolish their way through Palestinians, including children, at a rate completely unheard of anywhere in the world in recent years.

It’s also not whataboutism to point out that nearly a third of people polled have generally no opinion on such basic things as “did the Holocaust happen” or “was the Hamas terror attack a big deal” or “does Hamas target civilians.”

Yes it is. That is by definition whataboutism. Maybe you need to look up what whataboutism is. While you’re at it, look up “bad faith arguments” and several logical fallacies.

War does indeed suck

And war crimes perpetrated against a mostly defenseless civilization population of over 50% children are much worse.

you’re allowed to not like it

Gee, thanks! So generous of you!

irresponsibly accurate inflammatory language

Fixed that for you

it’s absurd to suggest these comments are whataboutism.

Again, just Google it. You can also use a better search engine, but PLEASE look up the word you keep pretending you know the meaning of.

Even if the pro-IDF propaganda piece you linked to had successfully demonstrated that, yes it would still be whataboutism since what Americans believe has no bearing on whether the Israeli government should be allowed to systematically slaughter and demolish their way through Palestinians, including children, at a rate completely unheard of anywhere in the world in recent years.

You do understand that you are literally expressing a thing that some Americans believe, yes? Like, you get that your position is an opinion, right?

Yes, it is indeed an opinion that committing atrocities is a bad thing to do. Well done on finally getting something right.

It’s a VERY popular opinion though, one shared by so many people that the world has decided that people are not allowed to do that bad thing.

That the Israeli Apartheid regime is committing genocide, ethnic cleansing and domicide isn’t an opinion, though. It’s an objective fact by all definitions of all the words.

A fact not changed by whether or not some misguided Americans think or pretend to think that the atrocities of Hamas are justified or that the holocaust didn’t happen.

Yes, it is indeed an opinion that committing atrocities is a bad thing to do. Well done on finally getting something right.

You’re not dumb. You know that people disagree with you on the atrocities you claim.

For instance, it’s impossible to have an apartheid system against another country. Israel is, by definition, not an apartheid state.

It’s hilarious to me that you’ll try to bring up the definitions of words after that - perhaps this is why your opinion is so extreme.

You’re not dumb.

Wow, you’ve already doubled the number of things you’ve been right about! At this rate we’ll only have to keep arguing a couple months more until you stop being an insincere moron!

You know that people disagree with you on the atrocities you claim.

I know that some people deny objective reality, yes, but that doesn’t make objective reality any less real or any more subjective.

it’s impossible to have an apartheid system against another country.

Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs living in Israel and Israel-occupied and/or -controlled Palestine are treated as, at best, second class citizens. Desmond Tutu agreed that Israel is an Apartheid state and he of all people should know.

It’s hilarious to me that you’ll try to bring up the definitions of words after that

I guess the truth sometimes looks like hilarious comedy to those who believe in ridiculous gaslighting such as that coming from Times of Israel, AIPAC and Faux News 🤷

your opinion is so extreme.

Yeah, it’s SO extreme to think that the lives of Palestinians matter! Such an audacious notion! 🙄

Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs living in Israel and Israel-occupied and/or -controlled Palestine are treated as, at best, second class citizens

You went to all the effort to site Tutu and yet provide no evidence for this, because they’re not, and they literally have representation in Israel’s government.

they literally have representation in Israel’s government.

Yeah, because everyone knows that having 1/12 of the knesset be Arabs means that there’s not systemic inequality and oppression of Arabs and other minority groups! 🤦

provide no evidence

here’s some evidence you’re gonna ignore or pretend to refute.

Yeah, because everyone knows that having 1/12 of the knesset be Arabs means that there’s not systemic inequality and oppression of Arabs and other minority groups

It’s proportionate to their population.

It’s proportionate to their population.

No. As pointed out in the article you just pretended to have read, the Jewish and Palestine populations of the territories controlled by Israel are roughly equal.

This article is about the Palestinian territory, a different country than Israel.

“between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River, an area encompassing Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT)”.

It’s right in the opening sentence of the fucking summary the report starts with ffs! 🤦

Gaza is not in Israel lol. It’s an occupied territory, not part of their country. Hamas runs Gaza as the official government.

Gaza is de facto controlled by Israel and as such is their responsibility.

Even if Hamas wasn’t a terrorist organization first, a political advocacy group second and a government as a WAY distant third, they still wouldn’t be able to properly take care of the people of Gaza, given the inhumane conditions created and enforced by Israel.

Gaza is de facto controlled by Israel and as such is their responsibility

Both of these statements are false. Not “I disagree.” They are false and they would offend the fuck out of Gazans.

They control the food supply, the water supply, the power supply, the fuel supply, the medicine supply and the international aid supply.

That means that they’re in control and it’s in no way offensive towards Gazans to acknowledge that.

Hamas didn’t build any infrastructure with Iran’s money. They built bombs. Israel voluntarily provided power to Gaza, but is under no compulsion to provide power to an enemy they’re actively at war with.