You know, Pages on macOS is a good app.

People hate on it, and maybe if I had stronger word processor feelings I would too. But…I don’t, and I like it. It’s flexible without being a giant piece of MS-Word-like bloatware. It produces nice results. And it’s stayed more or less reasonable for •years•.

I really, really appreciate software that just keeps on being as good as it was over the long haul. So much better than the whole whizbang → glorious utility → strategic shift → bloat → lock-in → enshittification → sell off → kill off trajectory.
The replies tell me that Pages is getting the love it deserves! I’m so glad to hear it. I’ve heard people poo-poo it over the years, but as always, it seems that negativity is just louder, not larger.

@inthehands

Most of the hate I hear about it is from people who used to love the manual layout stuff, and are sad that Pages has switched to a lot more automatic layout. There's apparently not another good, cheap app that works the way Pages used to.

It's commonly appreciated among authors, though. The new automatic layout changes, plus the extensive-for-consumer customisation options, make it a solid choice for low-end professional writing and layout. There's a whole cottage industry.

@inthehands

My ebooks are written in Pages, FWIW. They look fine-to-good for published-by-one-guy tech ebooks.

@inthehands
I used Eudora for email for about 20 years before it finally got too screwy to continue with, maybe 10 years after they stopped supporting it. I can still pull it up and find any email I’m looking for from that period in 2 seconds. I’m still looking for a viable replacement. (I tried Outlook for a while until something went wrong and I lost access to everything on it.)
@mcmullin @inthehands Have you tried HERMES Aurora? It's literally the successor to Eudora, based on its code but much less screwy. Here, I'll even give you the link: https://igg.me/at/HERMES80
HERMES Mail 8.0: The Final Stretch

"Eudora Jnr" has reached alpha 24—eMail just got better, once and for all. Keep development going! | Check out 'HERMES Mail 8.0: The Final Stretch' on Indiegogo.

Indiegogo
@nickmatavka
Thanks! I’ll give it a try. By the way, it’s great when someone stumbles across a question from months ago and has the answer.
@mcmullin The big thing for most of our users is that we support Unicode, so your messages with extended characters like вгдäåø won't get totally mangled. And we have a room on Signal for tech support. We haven't rolled out most of the _infrastructure_ for the company, and even my profile pic on here is a grey mammoth head (this will change), but as for the _product_, it's ready, existent, and it'll knock your socks off.
@inthehands I feel the same way with many open source applications I use frequently. Treating software as a product to profit from ends up killing it sooner or later. Investors put money in it and expect a return of investment in any way possible.
@inthehands Exactly how I feel. It’s also rock solid for very long documents, which is more than can be said for Google Docs.

@inthehands I use a text editor — well, several text editors — and markdown for most everything. But when I need to make a pretty document, I use Pages. It just doesn’t fight me as much as others.

Apropos of nothing: If you need change tracking compatibility with MS Word, but would rather not use Word, I found Nisus Writer does the job better than Pages or LibreOffice.

@inthehands honestly, yes. Even though I have moved to @ia iAWriter for most of my writing, whenever I need to finalize the appearance of the document for school or work, I always use Pages. Fast and without loads of unnecessary distractions (i’m looking at you, ms word)
@inthehands yep and Numbers and Keynote are great as well. All are just straightforward and easy to get to grips with and they have excellent templates.
@inthehands I am using Pages, Numbers and Keynote all the time. Not a big Office fan. The Apple apps are great, rock solid and fun to use on each device. And Keynote is still a gem for presentations.
@inthehands People hate on it? It’s amazing
@nathandh
I don’t know, I’ve heard people grumble, but the replies tel me I’m not alone in thinking it’s great!
@nathandh @inthehands Some people will hate on anything

@inthehands

I use Pages a lot, and the version tracking works well when I want to share a document with an editor.

I do have some wishlist items - I wish it had easy keyboard shortcuts for promoting and demoting headings like word always had, and I wish it was more straightforward to modify a style (the ‘update this style’ box can be a bit random about when it will work).

The iCloud syncing between mac, ipad, iphone has proved really useful.

@PlaneSailingGames You can assign keyboard shortcuts to paragraph and character styles, if that’s what you’re looking for:
https://support.apple.com/guide/pages/use-a-keyboard-shortcut-to-apply-a-text-style-tanb8c18c476/mac

Agreed that style updating can be mildly quirky.

Use a keyboard shortcut to apply a text style in Pages on Mac

In Pages on your Mac, use a keyboard shortcut to quickly apply a paragraph style, character style, or list style to text.

Apple Support

@inthehands Thanks - I found that and I’ve assigned F1 to F3 to my main headings, but I still hate it compared to the ctrl-shift-left arrow and ctrl-shift-right arrow from Word!

Plus I have to add it fresh to every new template I create!

@inthehands I'm the sole Mac user at work, so I have Word installed for any documents that other people might have to work on. For everything else I use Pages, because Word is the Gods punishing us for accepting Prometheus' gift of fire.

But yeah, Pages is just SO MUCH EASIER to use. I love Pages.

@inthehands When was it last substantially updated, though? Apple’s internal development is like the Eye of Sauron - when it is being looked at it gets a lot of attention, but then the focus shifts away and it is ignored.

@davidbcohen Per the subsequent post, I am 1000% fine with it continuing to work just as well as it always has without changing much.

sustainability > innovation

@inthehands @chucker I love Pages. I do everything with it my colleagues do with Word, just nicer and way faster. I’m regularly doing the layout for a magazine that was designed with InDesign before I took over. I’m doing in 2-3 hours what took 1-2 full days before.
Pages is a stellar DTP app.
@dgavin @inthehands @chucker +1 to this! I don’t do anything nearly as complicated as that, but I use Pages anytime I need to write a proper document & don’t need to collab with work or activist colleagues.
@inthehands 95% of people use no more than 5% of Word’s features. I’ve used Pages for all my personal WP needs for years, it has everything I need.
@inthehands The problem with iWork is that it’s only good and usable on mac and iOS. The web version sucks so much that it’d be literally better if it didn’t exist.
@inthehands @jeff I have strong feelings and I quite like it. There was a few years in the middle where it lost too many features but it’s back to being good now.

@inthehands it’s my daily word processor. I use it for everything in my personal office.

In my other job (where I’m dependent on computers that are not mine) I’m obligated to use MS Word and I hate it (con odio jarocho)

@inthehands I can definitely join the appreciation thread 👍🙂

I use all of the Apple office apps - and they're just pleasant to use. Simple, good defaults + templates.

Simple things are easy to accomplish, there's no feature creep. Great for home or small office use.

Of course only on Apple ecosystem.

@inthehands 1/2 Well, if summed up in a couple of words: yes, it’s a really good macOS app. However, it depends on which Mac user you ask. I used Pages ’08 and ’09 a lot — a whole lot, actually. That app does not exist anymore, as Pages got a big rewrite many years ago, to create a unified Mac, iOS and iPadOS version (one codebase). It was a great long-term decision, but the modern Mac version of the Pages UI is extremely dull compared to ’09. It is *too* minimal.

@inthehands I really miss the colours and thoughtful, old-school icons and general look. Here’s an article with screenshots (except it’s a review of iWork 09 as a whole): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2009/jan/22/apple-mac-iwork09-review

Below is one of those screenshots from the Guardian article:

iWork '09

Apple's latest iWork upgrade is typically slick, but you'll have to really care about the detail to justify paying for it

The Guardian
@inthehands It was possible to right-click the toolbar icons, as with any other native Mac app, swapping them out for other shortcuts and changing their toolbar row position. These days I think Safari’s toolbar is the one app Mac users care most about rearranging, but it used to be Pages for me.
@inthehands Pages and Keynote are solid Word and Powerpoint replacements. Keynote is actually significantly better imo. Numbers, not so much.
@inthehands I love Pages, and only use the iWork suite any more. I do wish it supported Mail Merge type behavior though. I find I’m mostly using it for NDAs, and I can’t even search and replace text placeholders.
@inthehands I love it, and Numbers and Keynote too. I get excited when I have a reason to use them!

@inthehands @_inside

Pages, Numbers and Keynote are awesome!

@inthehands I love both Pages and Number, I use them both regularly in running my business. No getting greased for subscription fees, just two solid apps that come with being in Apple's ecosystem.
@inthehands agreed
it and Keynote much better than Numbers
@inthehands I do almost ALL of my school stuff on Pages (the rest is done on LaTeX), and it’s one of the best programs for that purpose.