Mastodawn

Tjs Dec 29, 2023

Honestly, the way #Threads is evolving right now, I can absolutely understand why so many Mastodon instances are already blocking Threads before it becomes part of the #Fediverse.

For over a year now, I've known how social media can be and how social it really could be. In less than two weeks Threads has managed to become a brown swamp of anger and hate speech.

If this hits the Fediverse, then all the moderators' work over the last few years will have been for nothing.

Threads is simply turning into a racist, trans-hostile, homophobic swamp due to a lack of moderation.

As a moderator of my Mastodon instance, I was one of the few who was against blocking threads directly without having seen anything of it. Now I would very much vote in favour. (And I'm glad we voted for the block already together with the community)

A lot really needs to happen for Threads to earn a place in the Fediverse. If it will ever happen. (Doubt)

Steph Dec 29, 2023

@kaiserkiwi The best case scenario is to only open it halfway, no automatic display of Threads posts in the global feed, but give Mastodon users the option to follow Threads accounts.

@SynthSteph Yup. Follow Threads users and for threads user follow Fediverse users. Not more.

I'm really interested how this will work out in the end.

Big Fl👀f is watching you.Dec 29, 2023

@kaiserkiwi But why you think that the #fediverse has only #Mastodon instances …

@me_the_fl00f When did I say this?

Big Fl👀f is watching you.Dec 29, 2023

@kaiserkiwi Here

… now, I can absolutely understand why so many Mastodon instances are already blocking Threads before it becomes part of the #Fediverse.

@me_the_fl00f And where did I say, that the Fediverse only has Mastodon instances? I just talked about Mastodon as I write here on Mastodon, I'm the mod of a Mastodon instance and Mastodon is by far the biggest microblogging part of the Fediverse.

I never said only Mastodon instances blocked Threads. I only said many Mastodon instances blocked Threads not more, not less.

If you are angry because I don't name every Fediverse-"App" in every post, feel free to block me. I guess this would be better for both of us.

Big Fl👀f is watching you.Dec 29, 2023

@kaiserkiwi No, I am not angry, why I should be. But yes, this block thing if someone has a different point of view is a Mastodon thing. It is just the thing that Mastodon users name only Mastodon. And there are many other instances (software) which blocked Threads before it was the blocking hype in Mastodon.

And beside of that, the fedi will only resist against big tech corps like Meta as whole and not in fragmented parts.

tuban_muzuru Dec 29, 2023

Trust is earned. Meta has not earned mine.

JonChevreau 🇨🇦Dec 29, 2023

@kaiserkiwi Don’t forget that Threads is also now overrun with pornbots

Guiri 🌈Dec 30, 2023

@JonChevreau @kaiserkiwi
Oh just like BS a couple of weeks ago

JonChevreau 🇨🇦Dec 30, 2023

@Guzman @kaiserkiwi BlueSky had a porn problem too? Not on it so wouldn’t know.

Guiri 🌈Dec 30, 2023

@JonChevreau @kaiserkiwi
Oh yes.. also a pornbot manifestation!

william.maggos Dec 29, 2023

shouldn't limiting them be enough? it would allow people here to interact with decent accounts over there (and explain to them why they should move or start a server for their company, organization or government). wouldn't we be more of a threat to Elon (while still protecting our users) if we had the option to do this with #xitter?

Trixter of the Moon Council Dec 29, 2023

@kaiserkiwi I honestly thought it was fair to pre-judge Threads based on Meta's miserable moderation of its existing platforms, and that seems to have played out as expected. It's not like their parent company was a total unknown.

justpeachy Dec 30, 2023

@trixter @kaiserkiwi same. Blocked the whole domain for my account a week or two ago. Who needs that shit?!

hömma Dec 30, 2023

@justpeachy @trixter @kaiserkiwi

this bot checks out all of Meta’s domains daily.
@antimeta

Rev. Bussy Body of The Church of America MLM and Shooting Club Dec 31, 2023

@trixter @kaiserkiwi [insert picture here of crude splice of "dead dove do not eat" and "this sign won't stop me because i can't read"]

Sergio Dec 29, 2023

@kaiserkiwi well I have an observation to make. I have started to create some of our small business accts here which are related and focused in the US Hispanic market and when I search Hispanic related hashtags I either find nothing or a whole lot of porn. This is not the narrative that we strive to have about the Latino market. We will continue to create our own positive narrative.

岩田志明 shimei Dec 29, 2023

@kaiserkiwi honestly, if people expected anything good out of Meta's bullshit, then one can only congratulate them on being so privileged to afford not giving a fuck about the hate speech on there, lol

Julian Lam Dec 30, 2023

@kaiserkiwi the nice thing is there exists a mode in between allowing #Threads to federate, and an outright defederation. #Mastodon admins can limit content from threads.net so content only shows up if accounts from there are explicitly followed.

Michael Downey 🧢Dec 30, 2023

@devnull @kaiserkiwi That's not how limit works. https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/26301

#Threads #Mastodon

Silenced users' content can appear on home timeline via boosts · Issue #26301 · mastodon/mastodon

Steps to reproduce the problem Preconditions: Have account Y status on local instance be Limited, or, account Y is on server Z which has a server-wide Limit in place on your local instance. Follow ...

GitHub

Julian Lam Dec 30, 2023

@downey @kaiserkiwi sounds like that's a bug, even if it was originally designed that way.

Good to know!

EmperorBlargus Dec 30, 2023

@kaiserkiwi @Lazarou @Buddha_Ferret_Says Look m8. The moment someone does this "freeze peach absolutism" thing it simply turns the whole vehicle into a Mad Mad Marshal Stack Truck blasting the N-word around the neighbourhood, until someone goes all Vriska Serket on that truck, hits it with an RPG, and it blows sky high like one of the Russian tanks was vs. a $420 drone.

EmperorBlargus Dec 30, 2023

@kaiserkiwi @Lazarou @Buddha_Ferret_Says You do have to stand up sometimes to BS like...

EmperorBlargus Dec 30, 2023

@kaiserkiwi @Lazarou @Buddha_Ferret_Says ALSO remember the person behind Threads still thinks you can both sides everything. That's what these people have been indoctrinated to believe, since college. By which I mean in this case, Harvard. But anyways.

No, you can't both sides this.

Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈Dec 30, 2023

@EmperorBlargus @kaiserkiwi @Buddha_Ferret_Says I've seen screengrabs of Transphobic bullshit promoted that convince me Threads truly is the contender to Twitter's legacy, and I mean that in a bad way.

Sean Boyer 🇵🇸 FREE PALESTINE Dec 30, 2023

@kaiserkiwi
"A lot really needs to happen for Threads to earn a place in the Fediverse. If it will ever happen."

You've hit the nail on the head!

Block first, wait for them to earn our trust. So far, so bad. As expected.

(For the record I also was initially curious about the Interop, but it's just not worth it. It's #meta. #RememberRohingya)

Nini Dec 30, 2023

@kaiserkiwi I feel like Mastodon as a whole has a bigger issue regardless of individual instances blocking them. Threads is huge, once federated it will have an effect on the culture by sheer numbers alone and it will be tougher to maintain the current ecology without mass defederation, might even be too late to prevent it at this point even with defederation. We might not see it but we will notice the ripples that it makes.

@nini We will definitely notice it. But maybe we can learn from it and make the Fediverse even better. I know @Gargron stands behind the Interop but even he should see the problems that could rise from it.

I hope he and the Mastodon-Team has a good plan for what's coming.

I'm still not fully against Threads in the Fediverse but the risk is enormous. Threads grew to one of the most toxic social networks in just two weeks after it opened to the EU. If Meta can't control this, the Fediverse has to make a decision and this is hard per definition.

pancake 🌱🥞Dec 31, 2023

@kaiserkiwi totally not the way i see it or experience it. If you use the algoritmic timeline it’s up to you to train it. If you don’t block, report or like it’s expected to get all this. For me racism, sexism and fascist posts lasted 2 days. I see many people complaining about the same but nobody trains the algorithm and expect it to magically guess the shit you want to see.

@pancake I have blocked more people in two weeks than on Mastodon in more than a year. Even on Twitter was less scum to block. So no. It's not up to "me" to train it.

Meta is a multi billion dollar company they are the ones to fix this stuff not individual users.

pancake 🌱🥞Dec 31, 2023

@kaiserkiwi related to nazi scum, spam, bots, sexism, racism and such Twitter is like 100 times worst than Threads. I barely blocked 10 accounts in Threads and I can’t understand your experience here considering all the time, events and attacks I received on X that makes me hard to believe. Anyway i’m not the one to defend Meta, just surprised about such experience.

@pancake I left Twitter the Moment Elmo got it. Back then it wasn't nice but not as terrible as Threads is today. So I never used it as X.

Maybe my views are a bit foggy as I used Mastodon the last year as the only social network but I never had a worse experience on an algorithmic timeline as in Threads now. Even after I blocked over 100 people.

pancake 🌱🥞Dec 31, 2023

@kaiserkiwi ive was shadowbanned in twitter before elon joined. So basically nobody read anything i posted, elon fixed that, but then it filled my timeline with an awful amount of hate speech and ads, so i moved to mastodon where it’s where I find myself more comfy but wanted to play with threads because i miss a lot of accounts here (official, politics and news mainly) and that’s what I would like to follow from mastodon if the bridge ever happens because i lost the faith on people moving here

pancake 🌱🥞Dec 31, 2023

@kaiserkiwi About federation I see it the same way it happens with any other fediverse instance. Moderation is as hard as blocking the domain if you dont want it, but I see very little issues mainly because mastodon have no algorithm and i threads posts wont be magically appearing in mastodon instances if nobody is following them.