Current Vegas Odds on the New Goose Drummer:

+260 Aaron Sterling
+800 Adrian Tramontano
+1200 Cameron LaForest
+1400 John Morgan Kimock
+1500 Jeff Arevelo
+1800 Kris Myers
+2000 Alex Bailey
+3000 Jay Lane
+3300 Joe Russo
+3500 Jay Weinberg
+3700 John Molo
+4000 Sam Altman
+5000 Alan Hertz
+5000 Rodney Holmes
+7000 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+150 Field (anyone not listed)

Looks like we’ve had some updates. All odds taken directly from the MGM sports book:

Current Vegas Odds on the New Goose Drummer:

+255 Aaron Sterling
+850 Adrian Tramontano
+1100 Cameron LaForest
+1400 John Morgan Kimock
+1500 Jeff Arevelo
+1875 Kris Myers
+2200 Alex Bailey
+3000 Jay Lane
+3400 Jay Weinberg
+3700 John Molo
+3800 Joe Russo
+4500 Sam Altman
+5000 Alan Hertz
+5000 Rodney Holmes
+5500 Todd Nance
+7000 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+125 Field (anyone not listed)

Big shakeup with Field Yates reporting that the members of Goose follow John Kimock, and Adrian has a loyal friendship with Ben.

+275 Aaron Sterling
+500 John Morgan Kimock
+900 Cameron LaForest
+1150 Adrian Tramontano
+1500 Jeff Arevelo
+1875 Kris Myers
+2200 Alex Bailey
+3000 Jay Lane
+3400 Jay Weinberg
+3700 John Molo
+3800 Joe Russo
+4500 Sam Altman
+5000 Alan Hertz
+5000 Rodney Holmes
+5500 Todd Nance
+7000 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+125 Field (anyone not listed)

Now let’s handicap the field:

Sterling - One of the first rumored replacements. Smoke/fire and all that. Would provide a fresh creative direction. The only question is how would he hold up improvising for long stretches without a net in front of 5,000 people. Also, at 43yo he’s a decade older than most of the band.

Kimock - I’m probably biased bc his dad stopped touring with world-class drummers to put him in the band. Always found him to be a poor listener with a very busy style.

1/x

2/x

LaForest - Dude is a spectacular drummer who was part of Spafford when Spafford looked like they had big things ahead of them before he was abruptly replaced by their OG drummer. He’s the right age, and he’s pretty. This would be my preference, but I’m not betting on it because god never listens to what I say.

Tramontano - Don’t know anything about him except people I trust say he’s fantastic. But he’s not pretty or nerdy. Tough fit.

3/x

Arevelo - Played drums in Vasudo though his performances in Goose might make one question his motor as it always appeared Ben was doing all the work. Was this by design and Jeff held back?

Myers - The Ben/Myers trade makes way too much sense for everyone involved until you think about Kris yelling at Rick on the talkback mics while he’s in the middle of a 27 minute guitar solo with his eyes closed.

4/x

Bailey - Dream scenario, but would he give up his Eggy dreams? Is he too much of an alpha to be second fiddle to Rick?

Lane - Not sure why this is rumored or what the connections are. Solid drummer but feels like a big step down from Ben. Also a very odd age fit

Weinberg - Not sure how the style fits, but apparently he’s talented and unemployed

Molo - Dude has a style a lot like Ben, but he’s quite old. Very old.

5/x

Russo - Russo doesn’t play nearly as many JRAD shows as he could so he can do more passion projects. And he makes $$$ with JRAD. He’s not adding 75+ Goose shows per year.

Altman - LOL

Hertz/Holmes - Both would be spectacular. Both are pipe dreams from middle-aged balding dudes (aka Goose’s core demographic)

Nance - Dude got kicked out of Panic for a better drummer for reasons unknown. Goose isn’t signing WSP’s sloppy seconds.

6/6

Billy K - No juggernaut is signing a cantankerous, out-of-shape old dude to take them to the promised land. This isn’t the New York Jets.

Zwang - An early favorite but has since denied interest on Instagram while making ill-advised posts about the Middle East that are unbecoming of a high profile position.

So far it seems like the best bet is on the field for someone to come out of nowhere.

Well, we’ve just been informed that Todd Nance is dead. That would disqualify him from the competition. We’ll fix that in the next update.

Cameron LaForest has been spotted practicing Goose songs. Time to update the big board.

+175 Cameron LaForest
+400 Aaron Sterling
+700 John Morgan Kimock
+1150 Adrian Tramontano
+1500 Jeff Arevelo
+1875 Kris Myers
+2200 Alex Bailey
+3000 Jay Lane
+3400 Jay Weinberg
+3700 John Molo
+3800 Joe Russo
+4500 Sam Altman
+5000 Alan Hertz
+5000 Rodney Holmes
+7000 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+125 Field (anyone not listed)

Cam LaForest confirms he is not auditioning but available if given a chance. Time to update the big board. + adding in Chris Tomson

+350 Cameron LaForest
+350 Aaron Sterling
+600 John Morgan Kimock
+1150 Adrian Tramontano
+1500 Jeff Arevelo
+1875 Kris Myers
+2000 Chris Tomson
+2200 Alex Bailey
+3000 Jay Lane
+3400 Jay Weinberg
+3700 John Molo
+3800 Joe Russo
+4500 Sam Altman
+5000 Alan Hertz
+5000 Rodney Holmes
+7000 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+125 Field (anyone not listed)

Morning odds update. Cam buzz dies down. Two unknown VT drummers and Deitch make the board.

+250 Aaron Sterling
+400 John Kimock
+650 Cameron LaForest
+950 Adrian Tramontano
+1100 Cotter Ellis
+1100 Sean Preece
+1400 Jeff Arevelo
+1900 Kris Myers
+2000 Chris Tomson
+2200 Alex Bailey
+3600 Jay Lane
+3800 Jay Weinberg
+4000 Adam Deitch
+4500 John Molo
+4500 Joe Russo
+5500 Sam Altman
+6000 Alan Hertz
+6000 Rodney Holmes
+8500 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+150 Field (anyone not listed)

Goose drummer odds update. Long odds get longer. Preece moves up. Adrian still not pretty enough.

+350 Aaron Sterling
+400 John Kimock
+600 Cameron LaForest
+800 Sean Preece
+975 Cotter Ellis
+1000 Adrian Tramontano
+1400 Jeff Arevelo
+1900 Kris Myers
+2000 Chris Tomson
+2200 Alex Bailey
+4700 Jay Lane
+5000 Jay Weinberg
+5500 Adam Deitch
+6000 John Molo
+7000 Joe Russo
+7500 Sam Altman
+8000 Alan Hertz
+8000 Rodney Holmes
+9000 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+125 Field (anyone not listed)

Goose drummer odds update. Preece rockets up the board as he’s now followed by Goose on Insta

+300 Sean Preece
+450 Aaron Sterling
+600 John Kimock
+650 Cameron LaForest
+1000 Cotter Ellis
+1000 Adrian Tramontano
+1500 Jeff Arevelo
+1900 Kris Myers
+2400 Chris Tomson
+2600 Alex Bailey
+5500 Jay Lane
+6000 Jay Weinberg
+6500 Adam Deitch
+7000 John Molo
+8000 Joe Russo
+8000 Sam Altman
+8500 Alan Hertz
+8500 Rodney Holmes
+9000 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+110 Field (anyone not listed)

Vegas Goose drummer odds update:
Preece cools. Holmes hints. Kimock rises. Bottom half separates.

+375 John Kimock
+400 Sean Preece
+400 Aaron Sterling
+675 Cameron LaForest
+900 Rodney Holmes
+1000 Cotter Ellis
+1000 Adrian Tramontano
+1500 Jeff Arevelo
+1900 Kris Myers
+2600 Chris Tomson
+2800 Alex Bailey
+6500 Jay Lane
+7000 Jay Weinberg
+7000 Adam Deitch
+8000 John Molo
+8500 Joe Russo
+9000 Sam Altman
+9000 Alan Hertz
+9500 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+115 Field (anyone not listed)

Vegas Goose drummer odds update: Holmes cools. Cotter Ellis moves up.

+350 John Kimock
+400 Aaron Sterling
+425 Sean Preece
+600 Cotter Ellis
+675 Cameron LaForest
+1000 Adrian Tramontano
+1500 Jeff Arevelo
+1700 Rodney Holmes
+1900 Kris Myers
+2600 Chris Tomson
+2800 Alex Bailey
+6500 Jay Lane
+7000 Jay Weinberg
+7000 Adam Deitch
+8000 John Molo
+8500 Joe Russo
+9000 Sam Altman
+9000 Alan Hertz
+9500 Billy Kreutzmann
+9900 Scotty Zwang
+120 Field (anyone not listed)

Vegas Goose drummer odds update:

It’s being reported that Floyd “Money” Mayweather just dropped off a $7M bet on Kimock at Westgate

+250 John Kimock
+450 Aaron Sterling
+509 Sean Preece
+650 Cotter Ellis
+675 Cameron LaForest
+1000 Adrian Tramontano
+1500 Jeff Arevelo
+1700 Rodney Holmes
+2400 Kris Myers
+2600 Chris Tomson
+2800 Alex Bailey
+6500 Jay Lane
+7000 Jay Weinberg
+7000 Adam Deitch
+8000 John Molo
+9900 Scotty Zwang, Billy Kreutzmann, Alan Hertz, Sam Altman, Joe Russo
+150 Field

@chopaganda Feels like Chris Tomson is as likely as Billy and Russo. Not as elevated/well known, but those Taper’s guys are pretty clearly not sold on Güse.
@chopaganda You are playing this too straight. Where is Rick Allen? Tommy Lee? Stewart Copeland? Sheila E? Alex Van Halen? Dave Grohl?
@chopaganda horseshack gif is 👌😂
@chopaganda over/under on a date they'll announce? jan 26 maybe?
@chopaganda calling that a hint seems like a stretch
@chris We’re taking what we can get!!!!
@chopaganda *if* it's kimock and *if* MGB disbands and *if* more mike solo material makes it into phish sets, is it wrong *if* i go from being 100% to 0% sold?

@justinbruce lol. MGB isn’t disbanding over a hired gun drummer leaving. There are only two people in that band who would cause problems if they left — Mike and Scott.

And from JMK’s point of view, would you rather play 75+ gigs to medium/large venues with people your own age or play a dozen club gigs every year or two with a bunch of old dudes?

@chopaganda oh for sure, it's a no-brainer for him. if i'm JMK, i'm *sprinting* to my practice room to learn dripfield immediately. that's who my money is on. and i totally agree mike's band won't go anywhere. this actually all boils down to my fiery hatred of the vocal bridge in yarmouth road, ha ha.
@chopaganda Is Kimock rising solely because other leaders are dropping out or has there been news?
@chopaganda RATM broke up again. Put Brad Wilk on the board.
@chopaganda If Gordon loses Kimock to Goose after losing Walter to Waters… I don’t know, maybe he’s tanking for lottery picks.
@maxellxlii90 @chopaganda ditching the cactus band to go play for a former Floyd (even a crazy asshole one) is almost as easy a call as Belew leaving Zappa's nerdy little dick-joke show to play with Bowie. But to lose a moderately talented drummer to a tier band - even an up and comer like Goose - would have to sting pretty hard. But the reality is Goose gigs a lot and is playing a class of venue where the money is more than solid. Especially if he'd get a band cut and not sideman rate.
@maxellxlii90 @chopaganda I don't mean to make it just about money but I've known a lot of working musicians. When they get a shot at a job that might do more than just pay the bills, that's a big deal, it's something they have to take seriously.
@mrcompletely @chopaganda It would honestly make a ton of sense for Kimock and Goose.
@mrcompletely @chopaganda Ben goes to MGB and increases ticket sales by appealing to bleeding heart goose fans. Ben gets better over time by playing with a true master. Ben returns to goose in 5 years after Jeff gets arrested for sexual assault, and the “OG Goose Lineup” returns the band to 2022 levels of hype in 2029.

@maxellxlii90 @chopaganda @mrcompletely look at Scott Metzger bowing out of CATS because he couldn't afford to get covid and miss a JRAD gig. Sometimes you gotta follow the money!

Also, my single experience seeing Kimock with Mike's band was a good one. He was grooving and in the pocket all night. Can't say the same for the utterly superfluous aux percussionist.

@mrcompletely @chopaganda It actually makes a lot of sense and I bet they trust Mike’s assessment of a drummer more than their own ability to do so. It would be a big step up for Kimock and would definitely sting for MGB, especially since Kimock wouldn’t be as valuable a player without his time with Gordon. Very interesting trade to consider.

@maxellxlii90 @mrcompletely Honestly don’t think Mike’s assessment matters to anyone in the band. They are going to choose who they like based on talent and personality fit.

As for Kimock, would you rather play a dozen club gigs every couple years with a bunch of old dudes or 75+ 3K-10K room gigs per year with people your own age?

@chopaganda @maxellxlii90 yeah from a business perspective it's a no brainer, that's what I was getting at
@mrcompletely @chopaganda @maxellxlii90 Playing for Mike is whatever it is. Surely there’s appeal as a musician but it’s no full time gig. Walters went to work for a couple years with Waters and probably paid some fucking bills.
Going to work for Goose will probably pay solidly and consistently for the upcoming year. If you don’t hate the music, it’s a solid career move.
@rowjimmy @mrcompletely @chopaganda Not arguing the business decision! It’s a very smart move for Goose and Kimock.
@chopaganda @mrcompletely They wouldn’t consider Kimock (even in theory) if he wasn’t Mike’s drummer. I think he’s got some Phish branding on him now and that’s a huge appeal.
@maxellxlii90 @mrcompletely So you’re saying they wouldn’t consider drummers unless there is a Phish tie? Seems weird.
@chopaganda @mrcompletely Absolutely not saying that, bit of a stretch. I’m saying his experience with Mike is another checkmark in the “pro” column.
@chopaganda @mrcompletely To clarify - MGB gave lil Kimock the exposure to even be in this conversation.
@chopaganda and the field appears to be taking heavy action
@chopaganda I'll take the field with plus odds.

@chopaganda Just for fun, add the odds on this guy joining…

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@chopaganda volatility in the field odds which I still feel is the smart money
@phewstepsaway @chopaganda yes, gimme $1000 on the field... The degenerate in me is showing. My non-answer answer is I think it'll be a session drummer who's not on our radar

@chopaganda I got dibs on some random person on YouTube with like 20 followers that happened to get a hookup to tryouts and nailed it. That’s the Cinderella story I want.

Looking forward to hopefully more advanced drumming with different time sigs and polyrhythms.

@scarletfi @chopaganda like I said a few weeks ago, I have a shaved head and can play to a click if they get serious about the cut rate/low bid options.
@chopaganda fairly certain Dietch is one of Ben’s closest drummer friends, zero percent chance.

@mattotaylor @chopaganda

sure, but at the same time, everyone likes Ben. He's cool, well regarded, an excellent player, and a great fill-in.

The pool of potential replacements might have some Ben fans.

But it's a totally different situation when you're a replacement and not a founding member.

@Backeasyjim @chopaganda I think we saw that with Cams post, applauding Ben while throwing his hat in the ring. And I would even argue Adrian is possible from the Ben’s friends list, but I dietch is a never ever with Zwang, after Scotty’s post.

@mattotaylor @chopaganda

Chop alluded to this, but I think the fact that Adrian basically looks like Chop and I had a baby is a strike against him.

I suspect management at least wants someone a little younger and prettier.

@mattotaylor @Backeasyjim Deitch ain’t drumming for one of the whitest jambands in all the land. Dude is way in too much demand as it is. Some of these names are just for fun.

With that said, I don’t see anyone who wants/needs the job saying no bc of a friendship with Ben if they have a shot at it. I’d imagine if they want it, they will ask for his blessing and he will give it bc he’s a great guy.

@chopaganda I don’t understand how these numbers work. Also, I’d throw in Bill Carbone as a dark horse candidate. He’s been Max Creek’s drummer for the past 20ish years, is used to drumming with a percussionist, and is from CT, so there’s that.

@chopaganda Who me? I was just randomly practicing Goose songs, and it turns outright they just fired their drummer - can you believe that coincidence? Great guy, that drummer, really unfortunate situation.

Anyway, like I said, this is all a complete coincidence. But hey, if you don’t mind, please pass along my phone number to Jeff just in case - and send him the link to me practicing their tunes.

@chopaganda Sean Preece
@LostReflector That’s out of left field. Where is it coming from?
@chopaganda oh... places. Also Cotter Ellis if you don't have him on the list yet
@chopaganda not totally out of left field if you go back a few years. Preece has history with goose folk