In today's 'the UK is a totally normal country', I got 12 pieces of cardboard for a journey from Bristol to York and back. #trains

PLOT TWIST!!

I didn't get to York. Everything brokked, and I had to turn around at Birmingham. So now I have to work out how to refund 12 bits of cardboard. 🤦‍♂️

@nickpiggott
Can I raise you slightly.🙂
23 tickets for a journey from Bristol to Abergavenny and back in March 2023.
2 people, 2 bikes, so separate tickets needed for the bikes...🚴‍♂️🚴‍♀️🚈
@tpuddle who knew that the secret to cheaper train fares was a cascade of cardboard train tickets. 🤷‍♂️
@nickpiggott
I'm guessing that yours are split tickets. But ours were just routine; change at Newport, but also with seat reservations (I think).
But the bikes each needed a ticket for themselves, plus a ticket for their owner, for each of the sections...🤣
@tpuddle yes, split tickets to cut the cost from £144 to £100. In recent contrast, I did a similar 4 hour journey in noticeably more comfort across Germany for £80 return. One just the one digital ticket.

@nickpiggott

How frustrating.

Up until two weeks ago, I was British but now I'm Dutch.

I can travel anywhere in the Netherlands with this little plastic card and generate no paper. The trains aren't entirely cheap, but of course not as expensive as the UK. Before COVID they were shockingly, obsessively reliable. Now they're just pretty reliable, which is still very good.

Sorry, sorry, not trying to show off, I was trying to agree...

@TomSwirly @nickpiggott It's a bit depressing the number of times in NL I've had a train cancelled or delayed due to a "levensmoe" having jumped onto the tracks.

@sothach @nickpiggott This used to happen a lot in New York City subways too.

I just checked and the Netherlands has a suicide rate that's just a little less than the world average rate.

Sadly, the US, which used to be average, is now about 50% higher than the world average, worse even than Hungary.

Do note that these stats are definitely dodgy. It is strongly suspected that many countries misrepresent their suicide rates, downwards, for obvious reasons. (I doubt .nl is in that category.)

@TomSwirly its an interesting demonstration of how 'privatisation' and 'competition' become detrimental to the core proposition. I hope that other countries (🇩🇪) learn from the mistakes in the UK if they continue to pursue a 'free market' approach to train travel

In short - doesn't work for the consumer, doesn't work for the taxpayer, so who is it working for 🤔

@TomSwirly @nickpiggott Fun fact: While German trains have regular problems being on time, they run like clockworks in the Netherlands. I asked a ticket inspector about it and he told me that the Dutch railroads would have to pay penalties if they make the German trains run late, so they make way for them, resulting in the Dutch trains running late. The things you learn working as an international consultant.

@hamato @nickpiggott We have some train problems here since COVID.

Oh, don't get me wrong: the trains here are far, far more punctual (and cleaner, and better maintained) than DB! And we haven't really been inconvenienced.

Now almost every time I look at a train signboard, I see trains marked with something I'd never seen before, "Cancelled due to logistical reasons". I am told it's personnel shortages.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that no one here takes COVID or masking seriously.

@TomSwirly @nickpiggott

Yes, people seem to have forgotten about COVID. Just look at the christmas markets, everyone sneezing and coughing in every direction, people with cold symptoms going to work etc.

DB has serious trouble finding people though, and they've been running massive want ad campaigns for a while. They're understaffed in many areas, which makes them more vulnerable to people calling in sick or leaving for greener pastures.

@nickpiggott And are literally the same pieces of card since before privatisation, because ticketing technology is frozen in 1986

@nickpiggott

For the confused:

It's often less expensive in the UK to get individual tickets between stations on your chosen route that buying one through ticket.

The wonders of rail privatisation at work 🫤🤦‍♂️

@nickpiggott I'm american. I don't understand this picture. What sort of automobile uses orange cards?
@tito_swineflu it's special ride-share automobile, optimised for capacity and speed (usually 😬), with semi-autonomous driving on a special steel road for very smooth ride.
@nickpiggott Sounds great! We should get more of those here.
@nickpiggott also, I have very fond memories of travelling all over Britain by rail just after Thatcher got elected. I assume rail travel in Britain has only gotten even more efficient in the interim.
@tito_swineflu 'opinions may vary'. We have newer trains, that usually run more frequently and faster, but they've become disproportionately expensive. The 'free market' has led to complicated airline-style demand-led pricing, hence my handful of various tickets to actually get a tolerable price. (30% cheaper to buy lots of separate tickets than one through ticket).
@nickpiggott
I think I have a hand that can beat yours (West Cowes to Manchester and back)
@mattdawhit I'm just a boy, standing in front of a ticket machine, asking it to just get on with spitting out all the tickets please, because the crowd behind me about to lynch me.
@nickpiggott in Scotland we have virtual tickets on our phones.
@peterbrown virtual tickets don't do as well on ticket splits and my poor mobile phone battery 😁

@nickpiggott well trains here have on board charging sockets.

Not sure how mobile ticket could give you grief on a multi-segment journey. Most of my trips are multi-segment.

@nickpiggott at least you didn't die in a hospital waiting room...