Church of Jeff
schrotthaufen@jeffowski @[email protected] The worst part are the colleagues who say “Sorry, but I’m afraid you’d be offended and/or mad at me, if I tell you how much more I make.” Like my sibling in capitalist suffering, I’ll be offended and mad at the asshats who thought it’s okay to pay me less! Why the fuck would I play into their hands by getting mad at *you*? That’s *their* divide & conquer strategy in the class war against us!
RethinkJeff@jeffowski The worst part about this, is that the advice started in social situations, where Jimmy would get mad that Sally was making more than him, and he was hosting all the parties!
-rb@jeffowski what do you do when the company says “it’s against our policy to discuss your salary (or bonus) with coworkers“?
hpux735@jeffowski @dashrb depending on where you’re at, clauses like that might be unenforceable or illegal.
Lunaphied@dashrb @hpux735 @jeffowski my understanding is they're always unenforceable and illegal but mostly in terms of practical advice I'd say ask for a range instead which people might feel less bad about
@Lunaphied @jeffowski @hpux735 in my case, I live in a “right to work” state (like almost half of the US states). Thus, they could fire me for any reason, and they don’t have to state the reason.
The range suggestion is great advice! I hadn’t considered that. Thanks!
@jeffowski @dashrb @Lunaphied yah, it would suck, but you’d probably still have grounds for wrongful termination. (I am not a lawyer)
@jeffowski @hpux735 @Lunaphied Then I just have to hope that the lawyers that I can afford are better than the lawyers that they can afford. And meanwhile find myself another job since courts take months to resolve complex issues.
The game is definitely rigged.
Jzero@jeffowski Also, it's straight up illegal for your employer to tell you not to discuss wages (in the US).
Alex Celeste, Princess Consort of Burnoutin the UK and most other jurisdictions, they can legally tell you that, but cannot enforce it in any way
@erisceleste @jeffowski
Our rule is pretty strict, but unfortunately no one knows it exists.
(linking for any Americans reading)
https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages
Our rule is pretty strict, but unfortunately no one knows it exists.
(linking for any Americans reading)
https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages
Your Right to Discuss Wages | National Labor Relations Board
Under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA or the Act), employees have the right to communicate with their coworkers about their wages, as well as with labor organizations, worker centers, the media, and the public. Wages are a vital term and condition of employment, and discussions of wages are often preliminary to organizing or other actions for mutual aid or protection.
PeterD 🇩🇪 🇨🇦@jeffowski And join a #Union - if possible.
@peterdeppisch — in the US, union jobs are the only real jobs with pay equity for women too. People who don’t like unions are propagandized against their own interests.
hegatherhohrnws@jeffowski the logic in "it's rude to discuss your salary" is either that you consider your self worth based on what others pay you, or you wouldn't want someone to know if you're benefiting more than they are
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦@jeffowski and when you feel uncomfortable for earning more (or less) than your colleague doing the same job, *good*, let this motivate you to demand better of your management than driving a wedge between workers in the form of salary-based divide and conquer.
Jamie Tanna100%! That's why my salary is public - I've also written https://www.jvt.me/posts/2022/09/21/year-later-salary-history/ about what's happened since posting it
(Note that I'm in the UK so have legal protection)
This is Hell
TopWKone@jeffowski it is rude to flaunt your salary.
I’ve worked in places where everyone was paid the same based on time there and position. I’ve worked where each person had to negotiate their pay. I’ve worked where you got a base minimum and the rest was commission.
I made the most with commission but worked the hardest with the set in stone time/position jobs.
Got way underpaid negotiating.
I’ve worked in places where everyone was paid the same based on time there and position. I’ve worked where each person had to negotiate their pay. I’ve worked where you got a base minimum and the rest was commission.
I made the most with commission but worked the hardest with the set in stone time/position jobs.
Got way underpaid negotiating.
Vio@jeffowski "It's rude to discuss salaries ? Yeah, sure; that's why you're going to pay me the amount I' m asking for without arguing, so we can move on something more useful for both of us."
Laukidh@jeffowski I’m curious why this is a screenshot. There’s no source so I assume you wrote it. Seems like more work.
Claudio Zizza 🦜@jeffowski No, they aren't. Everyone is for themselves, thinking of deserving more money than others for doing "more" work.
Hugo@jeffowski When i investigated this issue for my university, i was surprised that some academic researches which found, on the long run, transparency actually lead to lightly lower salaries. The benefit for the worker is not in income, benefice is in salary fairness and team spirit. Done well, transparency strengthens paid-for-skills, reducing the gender and racial income gaps. All staff gain a feeling of belonging to a united group fighting together, more solid teammates, better psychology.