Kevin CarsonNov 25, 2023
The Only Democracy In The Middle East, everybody: Israeli Minister of Communications has begun the process of shutting down Israeli paper Haaretz for being “anti-patriotic” when it revealed that Israeli Helicopters were responsible for killing civilians on Oct. 7th. Many eye witness accounts confirmed this only days after Oct 7.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-23/ty-article/israels-communications-minister-threatens-haaretz-suggests-penalizing-its-war-coverage/0000018b-fd0c-de73-a9bb-ffefb9f10000
Show threadFardels BearNov 25, 2023

@KevinCarson1

Another similarity between Netanyahu and Putin. Both are occupying territory that doesn't belong to them, murdering civilian populations, and threatening media outlets that don't toe the government line.

Show threaddatenritter Nov 25, 2023
@riggbeck @KevinCarson1 Ahem. Israel occupies what exactly? You might want to check your maps.
Show threadJorgeNov 27, 2023

@datenritter This is a map of the West Bank elaborated by UN in 2020: https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/westbank_a0_25_06_2020_final.pdf

It counts more than 600k settlers, and includes military bases, roads prohibited to palestinians, and "Area C" (Full Israeli control over security, planning and construction). According to Wikipedia, Area C comprises 61% of the West Bank land.

Show threaddatenritter Nov 27, 2023

@jalda Yeah, that settlement bullshit should stop.

I find the comparison to Putin bizarre though. Ukraine never wanted to drive Russia into the sea, nor did they fail to control their own territory or even to sign a contract. Neither did Israel wipe complete cities of the map.

Anyway, I understand how you'd consider this an occupation.

Show threadJorgeNov 27, 2023
@datenritter Putin has his own selection of bullshit excuses, from Ukraine being full of nazis to being secretly developing biological and chemical weapons. When you want to justify an occupation and mass killing, finding a bullshit excuse is literally the easiest part.
Show threaddatenritter Nov 28, 2023
@jalda Beeing killed by the millions looks like a good excuse to me. It is no surprise, Israel defends itself so decisively and violently. And yes, radical forces grow in this environment.
Show threadJorge
@datenritter Can you provide your source for "killed by the millions"? According to the UN, between 2003 and September 2023 there were 311 Israeli casualties (and 6621 Palestinian casualties in the same period, a 1:20 ratio) https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
and the terrorist attack on October 7 were another 1500 Israeli killed.
Data on casualties | United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - Occupied Palestinian Territory

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United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - Occupied Palestinian Territory
Nov 28, 2023 at 9:52amWeb
Show threaddatenritter Nov 28, 2023

@jalda Google "Holocaust" maybe?

Many Jews emigrated to the area between 1930 and 1945, later they were driven out of various parts of the Arab world. It's a state who's whole existence is based on fighting back murderers.

(Yes, I am aware of the Nakba.)

Show threadJorgeNov 28, 2023

@datenritter So them being killed by the millions by the Germans 90 years ago gives them the right to kill Palestinians by the tens of thousands today? Flawless logic.

And you are aware of the first Nakba but still are in denial of the second Nakba that is happening right before our eyes.