John HarrisWe managed to get the world off of Internet Explorer, and it had the OS maker behind it. We can do it again with Chrome.
Bruce Mirken@rodneylives Some of us have never used Chrome, and regularly yell at companies whose websites are optimized for Chrome and don't work as well on other browsers.
@BruceMirken ♥
Darrin West@rodneylives My instinct is Google will try to leverage its dominance of video (YouTube) to frog-boil a lot of users about fascist-Chrome. By making Firefox and Duck Duck Go etc. unpleasant. An alternative video platform that maybe even pays content providers better, would go a long ways to disarming the monopoly.
@obviousdwest That we're even considering that they might do that indicates just how far they've fallen from the idealism of its early years, which is basically the reason it has managed to grow so large.
Richfletcher@rodneylives @obviousdwest well not really. Just because YOU are considering it doesn’t indicate how far they’ve fallen at all. It’s your opinion, that’s all. Use it or don’t. That’s the choice.
@Richfletcher @obviousdwest That isn't even an argument, it's just a dressed-up form of "You're wrong!"
@rodneylives @obviousdwest no it’s not. It’s just that making an observation based on your opinion in one sentence, and then solidifying that into fact in the next is a weird way to come to a conclusion. I don’t care if you’re right or wrong to be fair - I’m lucky enough to not be too reliant on browser to get my work done.
Clifton RoystonThey're already doing it, or so it's reported - Firefox users are reporting multi-second delays before videos will start playing on YouTube.
@CliftonR @obviousdwest It appears to only be happening to some Firefox users (I'm one and I haven't noticed it), but it shouldn't be happening at all, for any reason.
Grandpa Don@CliftonR @obviousdwest @rodneylives
I have given up on playing something on yt with my Firefox. It just sits and spins. I just back off. Fvckem.
Travis F W@dbc3 @CliftonR @obviousdwest @rodneylives youtube has a whole ecosystem of ad-free clients. I watch youtube plenty, but usually with Newpipe. Works better than anything.
f♯ a♯ ∞@dbc3 there's a reddit thread about that, seems like there's an artificial delay that disappear if you change your user agent to Chrome-like. So much for the net neutrality 😅
@tsadiq @CliftonR @obviousdwest @rodneylives
Yes, i was replying to a post sbout that, verifying what they were saying
Yes, i was replying to a post sbout that, verifying what they were saying
Oreo Teeth@CliftonR @obviousdwest @rodneylives Sometimes I wait it out, sometimes I just shut down my browser. I will not reinstall Chrome. I'll just be more selective with my YouTube viewing.
Soupy51Frog-boil? Spellcheck was baffled.
KFClinton
Bob Robertson XI@Soupy51 @obviousdwest @rodneylives
How do you boil a frog? If you put a frog in boiling water, it will jump out. But, if you put a frog into cold water and slowly bring it up to a boil, by the time the frog realizes what's going on, it's too late.
How do you boil a frog? If you put a frog in boiling water, it will jump out. But, if you put a frog into cold water and slowly bring it up to a boil, by the time the frog realizes what's going on, it's too late.
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷@obviousdwest @rodneylives Making things worse for browsers of all types is a general trend of modern online content, so they can instead push their own apps with tracking and advertising.
So I doubt that "let's try to push another browser" is going to work out great 😑
(Written on Firefox)
Epistomai@obviousdwest @rodneylives I would definitely not use YouTube to keep using Firefox
Grifflion 🇨🇦 🏴 🇬🇧 🇮🇪 🇪🇺@rodneylives This morning I completed transferring all my bookmarks from Chrome to Firefox. I will be using Firefox and DuckDuckGo equally from now on, with very limited use of Edge. When was Chrome first introduced? That's how long I've been using it. I'll have to see how YouTube displays on Firefox. It'll be interesting.
Ian McKellar@rodneylives
Where are we going to get the Chrome?
Where are we going to get the Chrome?
genstar.service@rodneylives The current YouTube debacle and the Manifest v3 debacle might do it.
(Also, pass the word on Firefox for Android)
Listerine Lavender Mint@rodneylives it’s, if anything, an easier challenge
Essem 
@rodneylives we're definitely up against a larger enemy I feel; microsoft may have controlled the OS then, but google now not only controls two operating systems (one of which only allows chrome), but they also control many of the services that people actually use on the web
part of the reason why chrome got so huge on the desktop in the first place was purely because google was behind it
@esm @rodneylives my thoughts exactly, but lots of people seem surprisingly optimistic, and I'm trying to soak that up.
Gord@rodneylives Unfortunately, a large part of the IE exodus was helped because it was a crummy product. I hope we can also do it again with Chrome, but it'll be harder than it was 20+ years ago.
Paul Squires@grs @rodneylives is chrome actually a good product or just the default choice? When i have to use it I don’t see very many positives (one feature that’s handy for my specific work situations though)
@pasquires @grs I've stuck with Firefox all this time, but whenever I've used Chrome I haven't noticed any difference
Jeremy List@rodneylives @pasquires @grs I generally keep a copy of chrome around for testing web stuff I've written, but the only time I've seen it render a page differently from Firefox was when I'd found a bug in Chrome's layout engine.
@pasquires @rodneylives Good question there my good man. I think for a lot of people, its just the default choice. I've used Netscape, then Mozilla, then Firefox since the 90s, so its always been my browser of choice.
@grs @rodneylives my usual browsing choice is safari - a few things for me edge ahead of Firefox which is my “compatibility” choice. The one area I find chrome works best is with profiles, which are useful for part of my job (hence using it)
I’ve found that so much mandates chrome (even though it will work on other browsers really) - I guess that’s the reason for the default choice
@pasquires @rodneylives Yeah Safari is a great browser. For me since I use Linux, MacOS and Windows together pretty evenly, having Firefox sync all my stuff together across all three is actually really nice for me. Especially when I have the "200+ tab open" nights.
@grs @rodneylives oh yes! And if I needed cross platform I’d be there too but I’m 100% iPhone and mac.
Millions 
@rodneylives the problem here is that Google also owns like half the internet
@rodneylives
NETSCAPE FOREVER!
NETSCAPE FOREVER!
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Asimech@seanm4c @rodneylives Tuta.com (née Tutanota) has been serving me well for the past couple of years.
Sparky@seanm4c @rodneylives I can recommend Proton. I moved there recently from my Microsoft account, and they have a pretty neat feature set, like walking you through setting up DKIM and DMARC on your custom domain during initial setup by default.
Christopher 
Switched to Vivaldi with built-in AdBlock awhile ago and haven't looked back.
Trevor Florence@rodneylives I'm assuming that this has to do with Google's recent move to crack down on YouTube ad blockers as well as new Chrome extensions making ad blockers less capable.
While I do use an ad blocker, I wonder what the internet would look like with no advertising. Would every website be behind a paywall? That sounds almost worse than the current situation.
How should the internet operate? Servers and bandwidth are not free regardless of whether individuals get paid.
@trevorade @rodneylives micropayments and attention economics? But before ads go away, sites might serve directly rather than embedding third party scripts. I don't know why that doesn't happen much if at all, but I'd settle for it.
@trevorade There's more Google's abusing with Chrome than just ads. Like trying to put systems in place that would make ad blocking impossible. This is not the job of a browser maker, it signifies that Google's position as both content provider and browser maker is a conflict of interest.
@trevorade The web has always reflected an essential difficulty between its information providing ethos, which is baked into its construction, and making money. The WWW wasn't constructed to be a way for tech companies to make a pile.
laurent@rodneylives
That's the spirit we need! Thank you 🙏
That's the spirit we need! Thank you 🙏
Farbs@rodneylives First we'll to need to find schoolkids an alternative to chromebooks.
Bobbi Betamax@Farbs @rodneylives yep, I feel like Google classroom is a step toward privatising currently public schooling.
anonimno@Farbs @rodneylives that‘s easy … get them old laptops with #Linux and they should use #Firefox and schools own #Nextcloud. All it needs is a 2 people in IT and one server rack. That’s it … that’s the invest needed …
@anonimno I think you missed the bit where all the teachers need to retain and someone needs to develop that training and all the kids currently using Chromebooks have to retrain and government policy has to change and no school has one full-time IT employee let alone two and all the devices have to be replaced and nobody manufactures cheap sturdy Linux laptops like they do with Chromebooks. Oh, and Linux never, ever, ever works properly out of the box.
But I agree it would be nice.
@Farbs „government policy has to change“ that is your Catch 22. All the rest? Doable.
Jason Reed@rodneylives Yes! We need more competition in the browser world. Chrome must go the way of IE.
Anthony@rodneylives @HTeuMeuLeu We had a lot of help from the maker of Internet Explorer when they decided to remove almost all engineers from the project for almost 10 years.
@anthony @HTeuMeuLeu We'll get similar help from Google if they remove the ability to block ads in Chrome.
@rodneylives @HTeuMeuLeu I'm not as optimistic. Google is not stupid enough to remove ad blocking from Chrome.
Pierre@rodneylives having to use Chrome to use Google services (crippled otherwise) sort of reminds me of the integrated AOL experience with their horrible single app that had all apps (email, web, files, etc) in a single app.
Charlie Fish@rodneylives @Gargron Curious what browser you use/recommend?
FeralFood@rodneylives I kinda never bothered to jump off Firefox to chrome, so now I'm just feeling smug. (Admittedly I have to occasionally use chrome for specific work tools, but only those.)
Joshua Small
Yanik@rodneylives
I agree with the goal but the main difference is that ie was behind in term of everything (security & standards) and was a gigantic pile of crap.
It was easier to say 'it's working badly, let's switch' to general population, on the other hand Chrome is pushing standards (not saying it is good) and it is more difficult to spread the word.
@sebsauvage
I agree with the goal but the main difference is that ie was behind in term of everything (security & standards) and was a gigantic pile of crap.
It was easier to say 'it's working badly, let's switch' to general population, on the other hand Chrome is pushing standards (not saying it is good) and it is more difficult to spread the word.
@sebsauvage
@ycawidro @sebsauvage If Google uses Chrome to prevent ad blocking, it'll happen to Chrome too.