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@Zergy @nixCraft I would rather than no one test on animals. There are other viable test options.
@nixCraft F-IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE!
@cdp1337 @nixCraft I see there are men of culture among us.
@nixCraft There’s ALWAYS a test environment

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Yeah, is over there in the big blue room.

@nixCraft time to (be the reason for them to) introduce one!
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Ah, but everyone has a test environment.
Some people are also lucky enough to have a seperate production environment.
@nixCraft that's a good sign and allows for the creation and maintenance of your own personal test environment. 😉
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What better test env than the real prod env.

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Where I find myself now. Rather have a lab system to test, to help keep the customer and our execs off my back when things go sideways.

@nixCraft the devops version is when there are loads of test environments but no environment to test out devops stuff like IaC and pipelines. If there is one thing I’ve learned from devops work it is that dev is production to devs. Every env is production for someone’s job. #devops #iac #testing
@nixCraft everyone has a test environment.
It's just sometimes also their production environment.

@nixCraft At a previous job, I was brought on to handle a large macOS environment. It was a mess of different OS versions, no standardized way to deploy packages, no base profiles, etc and a lengthy queue of trouble tickets for poorly deployed software. I grabbed three Mac Minis, put the three majority deployed OS versions on them and just stacked them on my desk and started running profiles, install packages on them, etc to make sure nothing would break before going out. Had some of the other IT people stick their head in the door and go “hey you want some more computers? HAHA. What are you doing anyway?” After telling them I was testing things before deployment every one said something along the lines of “Huh…never thought about that…I should do something similar.”

That should have been a giant red flag, but I was just happy to have a new job at the time and moved past it.

@nixCraft I’m retired but when I worked as a developer mgmt’s cavalier attitude toward test never ceased to amaze me.

- Lack of physical test environment for things that required it. For instance telecom where telephone switches were the source of data.
- Having testers reporting bugs against unversioned environment . For instance “last Tuesday I saw the software on server XXX doing such and such”. Well, it’s now Monday and if I can’t reproduce your bug how am I supposed to fix it?

@nixCraft Every business has a lab. Some are lucky enough to have a separate production environment.
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There's always a test environment. The question is if there's also a separate production environment.
@amyengineer

@amyengineer @encthenet @nixCraft

ln -s /deployment/staging /deployment/prod

¯_(ツ)_/¯

@nixCraft I was asked once what our test network looks like.

“A lot like our production network.”

@nixCraft @amyengineer Sure there’s a test environment!
There’s no prod environment, is all.
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After spending 8 months arguing for a way to test our main service, I just did it. Then people started pinging me on Slack... "Heard you have a way to test this, can we use it?"