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Robert ReichMeta will allow political ads that claim the 2020 election was stolen.
YouTube will no longer remove videos making similar claims.
Monetizing lies has become a big business in America. It’s one of the core challenges to democracy.
Skeptic@rbreich
Trump is their Golden Goose.
Trump is their Golden Goose.
2xfo@rbreich
Fascism makes a lot of money before it dies like everyone else it touched
Fascism makes a lot of money before it dies like everyone else it touched
Seán Fenian
Alex
Desert PlainsIf the money will come from a bullet in the head of someone, or if will come from the ad which spread lies, from January 7th to Israel not committing genocide in Gaza, it really doesn't matter.
Just as #lockheed wants to make money with people killing each other, #google want its share, even if it is by sowing chaos.
My humble opinion.
Nazani@rbreich Right now the ads that precede everything on YouTube, even a clip on sewing or gardening, are from christofascist groups like Hillsdale College.
@rbreich Lies are NOT free speach ! They area attempts to decieve. They are fraud.
TracingVRL by A.J. Fish@rbreich How far we've come since 1692 Salem: https://mstdn.social/@tracingcovid/111427062294714784
TracingCOVID by A.J. Fish (@[email protected])
Attached: 2 images How far we've come from Salem, circa 1692 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials "Oh Naaancy ..." said the Capitol insurrectionists #misinformation #disinformation #infodemic
@rbreich and when the democrats held both houses of congress, they passed legislation to prevent another similar fiasco.
Oh, wait!
Calum@rbreich here. Let’s do this: The internet needs a librarian. It needs an office to preserve , curate, index and organize the knowledge of humanity.
This includes peer-reviewed procedures and methods to identify the veracity of the information. It highlights and separates lies from truth.
Let’s pass that law.
McNullaSeparate yourself, as much as possible, from these businesses. They only listen to $$.
Oregon Wine Woman
WeaselA society that permits freedom of lies is guaranteed to poison itself.
Puma@weaselx86 @rbreich A society that allows a central authority to dictate truth and bans dissent from also doesn't do too well.
craftycat@puma0 @weaselx86 @rbreich Yes, this is why ISIS propaganda is allowed in USian schools, right? Because why would anyone be able to go "you know, maybe we don't need to platform terrorists" without "dictating truth"?
@craftycat @weaselx86 @rbreich Context matters. Show ISIS propaganda to kindergardeners? No. But maybe if you show it to high schoolers and teach them how bad ISIS is using their own teaching it would be a more effective tool than banning the speech.
@puma0 @weaselx86 @rbreich Yes, because USian education has proven excellent in deprogramming fascists in the past and present, I'm sure your plan will cause zero problems 👍
@craftycat @weaselx86 @rbreich
(2) not to mention, dictating truth can escilate quickly. It can go from banning ISIS propaganda to banning protesting the treatment of Palestines in the blink of an eye as parts of Europe are finding out now.
(2) not to mention, dictating truth can escilate quickly. It can go from banning ISIS propaganda to banning protesting the treatment of Palestines in the blink of an eye as parts of Europe are finding out now.
@puma0 @weaselx86 @rbreich Also, you're absolutely delusional if you think that not platforming terrorists is "dictating truth", get your fascism outta my mentions and go back to twitter. 👍
@craftycat @weaselx86 @rbreich
We were talking society just a moment ago. Not jast social media.
Also, yes, the fascist idea of open debate. Oh wait, that's exactly the opposite of fascism.
👍
@puma0 @craftycat @rbreich
We were talking about lies just a moment ago, not open debate.
A lie is not merely being wrong; it is intentional deceit by someone who knows what he says is false.
It is not always possible to prove the difference, but it often is. Juries can figure that out.
@weaselx86
Maybe coming at this from slightly different angles, but I was originally speaking about a central authority deciding what is and isn't a lie (and thus what cannot be debated). Mentioned above, with IDF/Hamas/Palestine what is "lies" is being already being decided e.g governments or twitter. With governments disagreeing is actually becoming illegal (e.g crackdown on Palestine but not pro IDF protests). Once authority decides on clear stuff, they like seem to pivot to everything fast.
Maybe coming at this from slightly different angles, but I was originally speaking about a central authority deciding what is and isn't a lie (and thus what cannot be debated). Mentioned above, with IDF/Hamas/Palestine what is "lies" is being already being decided e.g governments or twitter. With governments disagreeing is actually becoming illegal (e.g crackdown on Palestine but not pro IDF protests). Once authority decides on clear stuff, they like seem to pivot to everything fast.
@puma0
I didn't suggest any such central authority of Truth as an appropriate solution. I merely pointed out that what we have now is poisonous to society.
I didn't suggest any such central authority of Truth as an appropriate solution. I merely pointed out that what we have now is poisonous to society.
GJ Groothedde 🇪🇺@rbreich
Everybody really should het the fñck off Fakebook. 😡 Except they won't. Because for one they love being lied to.
@GottaLaff
Everybody really should het the fñck off Fakebook. 😡 Except they won't. Because for one they love being lied to.
@GottaLaff
Walrus 🏴@Eetschrijver @rbreich @GottaLaff
I closed my FaceBork account when they tried to claim copyright of my photographs.
Laffy
House Panther 
@rbreich It's come down to capitalism. Monetization of anything that draws viewership. People are intrigued with conspiracy theories, so they click on them more frequently, and thus generate expensive ad spaces. The problem is monetization of the Internet.
KSHernandez ♊(she/her/they)@rbreich Oh this is sad news! My God...
john titor AKA QAnon@rbreich it is actually spreading in other countries as well.
xs4me2Gotta make a buck in neoliberal capitalism… who cares about the truth.
meagan hanes@rbreich How can we combat the appeal of misinformation in a culture where Hollywood and fiction are in such high acclaim?
zombywoof@rbreich I've given up FB
Grace Callahan@rbreich
I'm asking everyone in my circle of family and friends to leave Facebook for this very reason.
I'm asking everyone in my circle of family and friends to leave Facebook for this very reason.
Jules@GCallahan @rbreich Only one of my fb friends shares BS regularly, and that one reacts very well to factchecks. One or another of us sometimes gets gulled, but their extended linkage provides links and commentary, ditto when some alt-reality individual drops a comment. Why abandon what can be a supportive tool across great distances?
Darrin West@rbreich Government can’t really stop this kind of speech, because that’s what the first amendment actually constrains. But citizens should be able to repeatedly sue for damages. Losing enough of those cases would make the business rethink if it’s profitable. Get some young people together and claim the damage to democracy is going to cost them over their lifetime. Class action. Billions.
@rbreich Have they ever taken action against people saying the 2016 election was stolen?
Chupacabra 78704@rbreich I blame RayGun for allowing Murdock in.
a.d. 🗽🇺🇸@rbreich I realized that in You Tube, but I keep flag bullsh’t videos to them. Don’t feel too annoyed by it, I’ll be happy to report them. Doing my duty.
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@rbreich well, it's been how the news channels have been funded for years.
@rbreich So, truth is no longer a requirement?
Santo Perdido@HaysTechSvcs @rbreich Truth has never been a requirement. This is from 1894 (and also involved the NYT and WaPo).
https://theconversation.com/politicians-lies-and-election-legitimacy-its-an-old-story-101298
Rai Aren 🖖✨📚🇺🇦
Durff, PhD@rbreich like the emperor's new clothes, reality is plainly visible.
gmoke@rbreich "Monetizing lies has become a big business in America."
May I introduce you to the public relations industry? Do the names Edward Bernays or Ivy Lee ring any bells?
May I introduce you to the public relations industry? Do the names Edward Bernays or Ivy Lee ring any bells?
This is Hell
Nicole ParsonsRepublican billionaires will do anything for a buck.
Fry a planet or sell out democracy, as long as it brings in the ad revenue to fund a favored boondoggle.
Paul Schleifer@rbreich It’s not a problem confined to America.
Becca 🏳️⚧️ 🇺🇦 🇸🇩 🇵🇸@rbreich Instagram and Facebook don't remove anti-trans posts or comments.
They generate views and "engagement" on a platform with dwindling numbers.
All of this has real consequences. The number of attacks against trans people, specially trans black people, has risen sharply but not many outside of those affected seem to care.
Legacy media seems to follow suit.
That's the economics of hate and how they work, and this is being applied to other areas too.
They generate views and "engagement" on a platform with dwindling numbers.
All of this has real consequences. The number of attacks against trans people, specially trans black people, has risen sharply but not many outside of those affected seem to care.
Legacy media seems to follow suit.
That's the economics of hate and how they work, and this is being applied to other areas too.
Alex P Roe - OLD ACCOUNT@rbreich Can we please limit free speech to verifiable facts? 😉
@rbreich This is only one of the reasons I'm slowly moving away from USian social media and finding other options hosted elsewhere. It's all an unregulated cesspit of propaganda, privacy breaches and other criminal activity that the US touts as "freeduhms".