Micah LeeNov 17, 2023
One day after Elon Musk agrees with a great replacement Jews "hatred against whites" tweet, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League thanks Elon for his "leadership in fighting hate" because he's suspending X users who post the phrases "decolonization" or "from the river to the sea"
Show threadPaul CantrellNov 18, 2023

@micahflee
The ADL is a sad cautionary tale about where a virtuous mission will take you when it becomes monomania.

I really, really hope they get their heads out of their asses — or that a more circumspect organization picks up their original mission of fighting actual antisemitism. Because we urgently need people doing that right now, and the ADL ain’t it.

Show threadBen RosengartNov 18, 2023

@inthehands @micahflee Do you think maybe there's a tension between fighting antisemitism, and supporting revisionist Zionism?

I do. I think Netanyahu and his friends want me to feel unsafe as a Jew, so I'll accept their crimes as necessary evils.

Show threadPaul Cantrell
@fivetonsflax @micahflee
Indeed, and I think the ADL has •exacerbated• antisemitism by trying to argue that any criticism of the Israeli government is antisemitic, which has ended up wrongly implying that all Jews everywhere are responsible for that gov and every awful thing it does. Don’t think ADL would agree that’s what they’re implying, but they really have kind of backed themselves into that corner.
Nov 18, 2023 at 3:30amWeb
Show threadsiderealNov 18, 2023

@inthehands @fivetonsflax @micahflee The Anarchist Labor Bundists predicted this in the 30's, btw

"Oh you foolish little Zionists
With your utopian mentality
You'd better get down to the factory
And learn the worker's reality

You want to take us to Jerusalem
So we can die as a nation
We'd rather stay in the diaspora
And fight for our liberation"

written by Ts. Lakhman in 1931, here's a modern recording

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMRwk8WDd4

Oy, Ir Narishe Tsionistn - Oh, You Foolish Little Zionists (Yiddish Anti-Zionist Song)

YouTube
Show threadPaul CantrellNov 18, 2023

@sidereal @fivetonsflax @micahflee
What a slice of history. Thank you.

I’m personally very sympathetic to members of long-marginalized desiring land, independence, and self-determination that are not subject to the whims of the forces that have oppressed them. So I approach Israel as an idea with far more sympathy than the song.

However, that desire requires extreme care lest it go to evil places — and as you point out, the song makes that warning and the likes of Likud should have heeded it.

Show threadAGTMADCAT 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇦🇹🇼🇵🇸Nov 18, 2023
@inthehands @fivetonsflax @micahflee Absolutely, the ADL is antisemitic af because of this one massive issue. My Jewish friends are not responsible for Israel's crimes. Trying to tar all Jewish people as apartheid supporting monsters is dangerous to them for obvious reasons.
Show threadtobieNov 18, 2023
@inthehands @fivetonsflax @micahflee The ADL argued no such thing. But nice try to say that a group that fights antisemitism is responsible for promoting it. It's an argument worthy of Elon Musk.
Show threadBen RosengartNov 18, 2023
@tobie1 @inthehands @micahflee Elon Musk, the guy the head of the ADL keeps praising? 🤔
Show threadPandanusNov 18, 2023

@tobie1 you mean the bunch that’s accusing Orthodox and Progressive Jews opposed to genocide of being “antisemitic” - that ADL?

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/11/palestine-israel-protests-ceasefire-antisemitic/

Anti-Defamation League Maps Jewish Peace Rallies With Antisemitic Attacks

Progressive Jews are in the streets by the thousands calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. ADLs CEO says the organizers are “hate groups.”

The Intercept
Show threadtobieNov 18, 2023
@pandanus Sorry but JVP really is the equivalent of Jews for Jesus, and don't get me started on what a fringe group Neturei Karta is.
Show threadPandanusNov 18, 2023
@tobie1 the “no true Scotsman” fallacy writ large and committing genocide…
Show threadtobieNov 19, 2023
@pandanus You may have slept through the Vietnam War but 3.3 million North and South Vietnamese died in that conflict. There are many claims you could make about the current war but genocide is not one of them. Even the prosecutor from the ICC who recently spoke at length about the conflict did not make that charge. I guess Mastodon has its own set of experts specializing in the law of armed conflict.