JA WestenbergNov 8, 2023
A thousand pop-sci anthropology hacks and TERFs just felt a disturbance in the force 🫡
Show threadMichał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@Daojoan can't remember who put it this way (might have been David Graeber in "Debt"), but it really rings true:

Of course women were equal members of the pre-agriculture tribes! Survival was difficult, and any tribe that attempted to side-line a full *half* of their members from active participation in hunts etc would simply die off.

Nov 8, 2023 at 11:15amWeb
Show threadJA WestenbergNov 8, 2023
@rysiek exactly this!
Show threadauserNov 8, 2023
@Daojoan @rysiek Wait, there were ancient women?
Show threadTallbitchNov 8, 2023
Women were invented in the 1850’s to sell mimosas
Show threadauserNov 8, 2023
@tallbitch Before they were mimosos?
Show threadTallbitchNov 8, 2023
@auser why do you think they started selling mimosas
Show threadauserNov 8, 2023
@tallbitch Nice. I suppose people were bored of the same ol thing
Show threadhazelnot Nov 8, 2023
@rysiek @Daojoan Wtf I just now found out that David Graeber died in 2020 and The Dawn of Everything was published post-mortem
Show threadJA WestenbergNov 8, 2023
@hazelnot @rysiek I know! Huge loss.
Show threadEsslar2Nov 8, 2023
@hazelnot @rysiek @Daojoan The Dawn of Everything was so astonishing to me that now I'm reading 3 other of Graeber's books. Someone who met and talked with Graeber said he realized after a little while that Graeber was a true genius. He really was brilliant.
Show threadBørgeNov 8, 2023
@flyhigh @hazelnot @rysiek @Daojoan Since you're talking so highly of Graeber here, I have to just pop in and say that you will probably like the podcast @srslywrong. They praise him quite often. And it's very good and funny.
Show threadEsslar2Nov 8, 2023
@forteller @hazelnot @rysiek @Daojoan @srslywrong I'll listen, thanks!
Show threadhazelnot Nov 8, 2023
@flyhigh @rysiek @Daojoan @forteller @srslywrong I'm not talking highly of anyone, I never even read any of his work, I just heard of that book lol
Show threadEsslar2Nov 8, 2023
@hazelnot @rysiek @Daojoan @forteller @srslywrong If you make it your aim to read that book, you will not be sorry. I was shocked at how little I really knew about human social history when I got through it. It changed my whole way of looking at society. I now think it is one of the finest books I've ever read.
Show threadRubyNov 8, 2023
@flyhigh @hazelnot @rysiek @Daojoan @forteller @srslywrong it really does completely change one's perspective of the past of nothing else
Show threadfloNov 8, 2023

@forteller @flyhigh @hazelnot @rysiek @Daojoan @srslywrong
Funny, I expected you to recommend "Everyday Anarchism" since he references to Graeber in almost every episode and the title, and right now does a series on Debt.

I totally love both shows!

Show threadGailV37Nov 8, 2023
@flyhigh @hazelnot @rysiek @Daojoan
And just like that, I went from reading these comments to looking him up in the library, then downloading Dawn of Everything. I'd not heard of him before this thread. I love using social media to find new books to read.
Show threadRubyNov 8, 2023
@hazelnot @rysiek @Daojoan yes I only learned of his death after being enthralled by Dawn of Everything, so it kinda hit 🎯
Show threadjonny (nonvenomous)Nov 9, 2023
@hazelnot
@rysiek
Yes, RIP. I only read his books after he had passed, huge loss.
Show threadRubyNov 8, 2023
@rysiek @Daojoan David Graeber is the man! Learned so much from him and his friend/colleague David Wengrow
Show threadRubyNov 8, 2023
@rysiek @Daojoan not just that, (this is again from The same authors), in early proto state like cities, it was often the kings wives who'd be the bureaucratic arm of the state; the wives as a collective had enormous power including the removal of the king of all the wives were in agreement