MicroWaveNov 6, 2023

Sanders says he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible ‘with an organization like Hamas’

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Sanders says he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible ‘with an organization like Hamas’ - Lemmy.World

Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible in the Israel-Hamas war with “an organization like Hamas” involved. “I don’t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,” Sanders told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” Sunday.

Show threadeskimofryNov 6, 2023

Quite disappointed with Sen. Sanders on this one considering his general stance. Barack Obama had a better understanding here:

How about Israel stop bombing civilians so that Hamas doesn’t get new recruits? Does it really not occur to them that 7000+ civilians killed isn’t going to radicalize more youth. Especially since Gaza’s demogaraphic is mostly youngsters due to past conflicts killing off those who survive for longer.

It’s quite clear that in this conflict, the following people have all the gain: Netanyahu who wants to prolong the war to keep corruption charges and an ouster at bay, by winning favor with Israel conservative fubdamentalists; Hamas who successfully intervened when relations were about to be mended with the Saudis, Israel, and a few other countries; Putin, whom the U.S is funding against in the conflict with Ukraine; U.S. war manufacturers that supply the missiles to Israel.

Show threadgivesomefucksNov 6, 2023

Quite disappointed with Sen. Sanders on this one

If you ever read a headline about Bernie and are disappointed in what he said, it’s a pretty good chance he said some other stuff too that got left out.

“The immediate task right now is to end the bombing,” Sanders said Sunday, “to end the horrific humanitarian disaster, to build – go forward with the entire world for a two-tier, two-state solution to the crisis to give the Palestinian people hope.”

Just because the headline doesn’t have him also criticizing Netanyahu, doesn’t mean he’s suddenly supporting him.

Show threadbustrpoindextr

The problem with his idea is that Hamas actively refuses the two state solution and has been doing so violently for decades. That’s their whole thing.

And then you’ve got Netanyahu on the other side. Which… You know

Nov 6, 2023 at 12:14pmWeb
Show threadSwampYankeeNov 7, 2023
The PLO called for the elimination of Israel as well. That changed after the first intifada and it’s the closest we’ve ever been to peace. This is a different and much more fraught situation, though. I don’t expect conciliation on the part of Hamas after this.
Show threadÐ Greıt Þu̇mpkinNov 8, 2023

I mean at this point the two state solution is entirely a political fiction. Bibi has seen to it with his support of the settlers in WB.

Only shot now is to fold in everyone and turn it into the Confederation of Jerusalem. Expose the extremists of both sides to electoral accountability from the tired masses they try to demonize now that they’re voting members of the public too.