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Baron Vonskinnback@RiaResists @[email protected] @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss this is also why religion works so well...
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Tim Gatewood@RiaResists @asbestos @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss Did he say that about poor, white *Republicans* ? I have to ask because he was the one who pushed through the Civil Rights Act which led to the poor, white bigots leaving the Dems for the Reps. While it's a true statement now, when he said it, I believe it would have been more true about Dems.
Ramesh #NotGoingBack@timgatewood @RiaResists @[email protected] @CivilityFan @skykiss
I'm guessing you've conflated "Dems" above with #ModernDemocrats, #SoutherDemocrats, #BourbonDemocrats, and #Dixiecrats
It's difficult to understand that societies aren't static. Times change. People change. Countries change. Their attitudes & policies change. Even more difficult to fathom is that societies aren't homogenous. Not all of #USA thinks the same way
About societies being neither static nor homogenous
https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111332482184536782
@timgatewood @RiaResists @[email protected] @CivilityFan @skykiss
#KevinPhillips' book, “The Emerging Republican Majority” provided a blueprint for Southern Strategy ⬆️ #Republican Party adopted to win over #White voters alienated by #Democratic Party embrace of #CivilRights in 1960s. He pushed to exploit White racial anxieties. Beginning with #Nixon, it produced GOP majorities for decades
#ModernDemocrats #SoutherDemocrats #BourbonDemocrats #Dixiecrats #SouthernStrategy #GOP
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/12/southern-strategy-kevin-phillips-republican-party-trump/
@rameshgupta @RiaResists @asbestos @CivilityFan @skykiss Actually, I was referring mostly to Southern Dems of the time that LBJ was in office, and my point is he would have been doing so, as well. I'm well aware that groups change, as my own comment makes clear. I'm not some right-wing troll trying to score points by conflating the past version of the Dems with the current one. I'm Anti-fascist and the USA right has become fash-adjacent or outright fascist.
@timgatewood @[email protected] @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss
Idk.
Seems it’s true around the globe, likely at any point in history.
Idk.
Seems it’s true around the globe, likely at any point in history.
@RiaResists @asbestos @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss I'm not disputing that white supremacy is a particularly harmful bigotry. My only question is the partisan angle here, as that does not fit with what I know about USA politics at the time LBJ was in office.
@timgatewood @RiaResists @[email protected] @CivilityFan @skykiss
I figured you were confused by "Democrats" and that's why I posted a link to #SouthernStrategy that separates #ModernDemocrats, #SouthernDemocrats, #BourbonDemocrats, and #Dixiecrats here https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111346223337568439
It is complicated, but the gist is summarized in the thesis that societies are neither static nor homogenous. See https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111346147083193639
Jeff Shaffer CBET, ret@timgatewood @RiaResists @asbestos @rameshgupta @skykiss When LBJ got the Civil Rights Act of 1965 passed, I’ve heard he said that it would cost the Democrats the South for a generation.
@CivilityFan @timgatewood @[email protected] @rameshgupta @skykiss
He was right about that!
Guess we learned nothing from WWII.
Holocaust denialism is insane & unacceptable.
Beyond that general white supremicists/ racists will not accept equality. They fear it!
Trump fueled so much bs about Obama & racism great again.
We had a black POTUS & they’ve been losing their minds (literally) ever since
He was right about that!
Guess we learned nothing from WWII.
Holocaust denialism is insane & unacceptable.
Beyond that general white supremicists/ racists will not accept equality. They fear it!
Trump fueled so much bs about Obama & racism great again.
We had a black POTUS & they’ve been losing their minds (literally) ever since
@timgatewood @[email protected] @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss
I kept that meme bc it fits times today. From what I know about LBJ he was a decent POTUS & seemed to follow through w Kennedy brothers vision of civil rights at the time.
What I know is USA politics is that the country was (maybe) as divided then as we are now.
Here’s a short link about the comment.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/
@RiaResists @asbestos @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss I knew he said it. Again, my only question was over the partisan part. Knowing what I know about the South at the time, it wasn't the Reps who were focused on racist bigotry. He was not asked about poor white Republicans, because there were very few Reps in the South at that point. The Snopes article gives the context.
@timgatewood @[email protected] @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss
Appreciate you 🙂
I’m learning more about LBJ now
Appreciate you 🙂
I’m learning more about LBJ now
@timgatewood @[email protected] @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss
in the ‘60s the south shifted from dem to rep, you’re right.
My understanding is it was during LBJ administration.
He could be referring to poor Dems who were then poor republicans.
Maybe the question didn’t exist?
in the ‘60s the south shifted from dem to rep, you’re right.
My understanding is it was during LBJ administration.
He could be referring to poor Dems who were then poor republicans.
Maybe the question didn’t exist?
@RiaResists @asbestos @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss If you look this quote up on Snopes, you will see the context. He made the statement. It just wasn't in answer to the question in the meme. The question in the meme is a partisan retcon to change the context and score points against the Reps. While I understand the desire to do that, I would rather we leave the lies to the fascists and stick to truth.
@timgatewood @RiaResists @[email protected] @CivilityFan @skykiss
>> Did he say that about poor, white *Republicans*? Your emphasis.
The aphorism itself is more valuable than the label, especially when societies are not static. What good is clinging to label, when a group has changed and unrecognizable using that label anyway?
Today's "Republicans" are indistinguishable from "Southern Democrats" of LBJ's time. So, label fits.
Nobody here is trying to lie. You questioned a label, not context.
Cheers!
@timgatewood @RiaResists @[email protected] @CivilityFan @skykiss
Now that you've pointed out exactly what it was that caused you unease in the first place, and how the Snopes article lifted the fog for you, I want to thank you.
Everybody here tried to help you with answers as best as each understood your question. Nobody suggested you were a troll or were looking to score points. So the implicit suggestion that this thread was peddling lies that should be left to fascists, comes as a bit off. Cheers!
@rameshgupta @RiaResists @asbestos @CivilityFan @skykiss Let me be explicit. I do not believe anyone here was knowingly peddling lies. I do believe that the meme is a lie, as it frames the statement made by LBJ as an answer to a question that was not asked of him. History and truth matter. I started off asking about the label, but once I read the Snopes article, I saw that the entire question was a poorly done partisan retcon. His statement is Truth.
@timgatewood @[email protected] @rameshgupta @CivilityFan @skykiss agreed.
Yes, the quote was applied to a fictional question.
Yes, the quote was applied to a fictional question.