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danhakimi

This is a tragedy, but I just want to get a few things straight:

The numbers regarding Palestinian victims come exclusively from Hamas.
Hamas has been caught lying about these numbers before. Often, and with no shame. And they're a terrorist group. I'm sure the truth is still tragic, but the specific numbers cannot be trusted to the point where you can compare them to anybody else. The death toll is certainly lower than Hamas says it is, the number of dead children is a smaller proportion than they say it is, and they have no interest in separating civilians from combatants for their BS statistics anyway.
Hundreds of rockets from PIJ and Hamas have fallen short of their targets, landing in Gaza, most famously causing the Al-Ahli hospital explosion. Again, although Hamas estimated 500 dead (a number it somehow put out within 20 minutes of the explosion), independent estimates are that roughly 200 people died—which is still 200 too many.
Hamas is refusing to allow civilians to evacuate because its goal is, in no small part, to "martyr" as many children as possible in the hopes that these statistics will turn you against Israel. It uses roadblocks and misinformation to prevent civilians from evacuating to the South. It is, in fact, using civilians as human shields.

TinyPizza Oct 29, 2023

Dan, this thing reads like the narcissists prayer dude.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

cozz33 Oct 29, 2023

How DARE he provide nuance and not just circlejerk

TinyPizza Oct 29, 2023

lol, wut?

Is there a format in which you think these facts would be less inconvenient for you?

Is there a number of dead children you wouldn't find the need to refute?

There is, unfortunately, no organization able to provide an accurate number. Whatever the number is, it is tragic.

Did I say something that's not completely accurate?

Just found it curious that 3000 kids die from buildings and bombs dropping on their heads and you point the finger at the people that are supposedly in the buildings with them?

Some number of kids died (almost certainly much less than 3,000), some of them from bombs dropping on their heads, which is a tragedy. It would be nice if that tragedy could have been prevented by, for example, evacuating the children from the war zone, like most countries do, instead of imprisoning them in the warzone in the hopes that they die.

Are you objecting to anything I've said, or do you just not like hearing about reality?

The bombs are dropping everywhere Dan, there's no place they could go. Not even a church. You say that they've been imprisoned, but they are surrounded by walls with no way out in a city that's had all basic needs for survival cut off.

You gave a list of four bullet points but let me sum it up for you.

Hamas

Dan, I never mistake anything you write for something based in reality. I object to you attempting to lessen the toll of their loss like some kind of child murder actuary.

Aside from the warnings to go South, Israel literally issues warnings on a building-by-building basis, through multiple media. Name a country that calls its opposing force's combat unit on the phone, says "hey, this is the building we're going to bomb, this is when we're going to do it, please don't be there when we do."

I object to you attempting to lessen the toll of their loss like some kind of child murder actuary.

I object to you inflating the toll of their loss to use them for your pro-Hamas propaganda. That's not a simile, that's just what it is.

Since you aren't going to respond to a single thing I said, I'm not gonna feed the troll. Blocked.

If anybody wants to engage with me like an adult, I'm here.