Elizabeth Tai | ๆˆด็ง€้“ƒ ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ

Taking sides in the #Palestine #Israel conflict when you are ignorant about their history is probably the worst thing you can do.
Wars and politics are not entertainment for keyboard warriors.

http://elizabethtai.com/2023/10/19/thoughts-on-the-israel-palestine-conflict/

Thoughts on the Israel Palestine conflict

Wars and politics have turned into a form of entertainment for keyboard warriors. Thereโ€™s nothing simple about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, and taking sides while you are ignorant about โ€ฆ

Elizabeth Tai
Oct 19, 2023 at 12:23amWeb
Show threadmike805Oct 19, 2023

@liztai After the 1948 war the Palestinians were settled in Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon. Some radicals kept attacking Israel and drawing reprisals. In Jordan they even tried to assassinate the king. That's how they got run out of those countries, and why there is a rush to slam the door today.

OTOH when the Zionists were the weaker and stateless party, they also had some extremists that resorted to terrorism, like the King David Hotel bombing.

So yeah no faction here has entirely clean hands.

Show threadElizabeth Tai | ๆˆด็ง€้“ƒ ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พOct 19, 2023
@mike805 yea so many bad things on both sides. One will go mad trying to know who is more justified in their violence.
Show threadmike805Oct 19, 2023
@liztai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY Cartoon history of the Middle East (and an ominous ending.)
This Land is Mine

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Show threadJust another rakyat ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พOct 19, 2023
@liztai And also all the misinformation thatโ€™s flooding social media. That highly misleading map series alone has done plenty of harm to how non-bumis are perceived in Malaysia.
Show threadElizabeth Tai | ๆˆด็ง€้“ƒ ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พOct 19, 2023
@rakyat I have been away from TwitterJaya so I have no idea what this map series is about ๐Ÿ˜ฃ Could you tell me why these maps could result on that?
Show threadJust another rakyat ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พOct 19, 2023

@liztai this one! Malay nationalists love this highly misleading map cuz it shows what happens when non-Muslims โ€œtake overโ€ the nation from Muslims.

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Show threadNoam writesOct 19, 2023
@liztai @rakyat I saw the map and was going to rant about how misleading it is, until I saw what you wrote.
Yes, it's an emotive topic as well as a complex one.
Show threadJust another rakyat ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พOct 20, 2023
@noam Iโ€™m mostly avoiding commenting any further on this conflict because itโ€™ll only end up with people on both sides thinking that Iโ€™m a Nazi forโ€ฆ condemning violence towards civilians regardless of who committed them.
@liztai
Show threadElisheva Meira โœก๏ธŽ ๐ŸŒˆOct 19, 2023
@rakyat @liztai
If anyone seeing this is interested in an explanation of the misleading maps, let me know. I have posts saved in a text file but it takes a few.
Show threadElizabeth Tai | ๆˆด็ง€้“ƒ ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พOct 19, 2023
@emmaaum @rakyat do let me know. I have to say I think I know what dksinfo is but I don't want to assume
Show threadElisheva Meira โœก๏ธŽ ๐ŸŒˆOct 19, 2023
@liztai Just realised, this is a different set of four. So a somewhat different set of spin.
There is no historic Palestine with fixed borders. "Palestine" was a Greek, then Roman term used to generally to denote the region where Jews lived.
Prior to the end of WWI, the region was a sparsely populated Ottoman Empire backwater, governed primarily from Damascus.
Post WWI, UK & France carved up the OE and created 3 Mandate regions, which they hung old names on - Mandate of Syria, M of Babylonia,
Show threadElisheva Meira โœก๏ธŽ ๐ŸŒˆOct 19, 2023
@liztai which became Iraq but had been two vilayets and a bit of Turkey (thus the 3 regions in Iraq which sometimes make the news for not getting along), and the Mandate of Palestine. 7/8ths of the MoP became Transjordan (later renamed Jordan) in 1922. (ALL the modern ME countries are post WWI, even when they have old names like Syria.)
The 1947 UN Partition Plan map (the remaining 1/8th of the original Mandate) is accurate with the caveat that the 44% line is crap. Note that the Negev is
Show threadElisheva Meira โœก๏ธŽ ๐ŸŒˆOct 19, 2023
@liztai desert (big white triangle in the south) and the green bit wasn't called Palestine, it was an Arab State. Pals didn't claim the name for themselves until 67. Jews accepted the UN Plan, made a state, which was invaded the very next day by the armies of 7 Arab nations. The League of Arab Nations rejected the Plan. Pals would have had their state if they hadn't.
After the 48 war, Egypt held the Gaza strip and Jordan annexed the West Bank. They both held those until the Six Day War in 67.
Show threadElisheva Meira โœก๏ธŽ ๐ŸŒˆOct 19, 2023
@liztai They kicked resident Jews out, but we don't talk about that because the myth that these areas have always been Judenrein holds (despite West Bank being historic Judea & Samaria (who were Jews with a different religious practice) and the historic Jewish quarter of J'lem being in the SE.)
The spin in that caption is ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿคฏ Arabs were still trying to eradicate the infidel state. They failed.
Trumps plan was never a real concern. Neither PA nor Israel has a secure enough gov'ment to negotiate.
Show threadElisheva Meira โœก๏ธŽ ๐ŸŒˆOct 19, 2023

@liztai Two things: There is power in refusing to make lasting peace. Israel has greater military power but Palestinian leadership has consistently refused to make a lasting peace because that requires recognising Israel as a state. This situation started with the League of Arab Nations before the modern state of Israel was created.
This is the essential power imbalance in the conflict.

There's a US/Eurocentric element in discourse around colonialism which refuses to recognise the agency of POC

Show threadElisheva Meira โœก๏ธŽ ๐ŸŒˆOct 19, 2023
@liztai and assigns all agency to white people. (Jews are read as white in this case, which is another mishegas, I can talk about that if interested). In short, whites do, POC are done to.
It's de facto racism in the name of anti-racism. Huge blind spot for many.
You touched on their lack of awareness of Arab imperialism; this is part of why that narrow view is so hard to shake in many.