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I am tempted to start using the @Vivaldi browser but then I looked* at the diversity in the underlying technology and I think it is better to promote and start using @firefox  more.

Or should we leave it to #Google   and #Apple   only❓

I'm curious 😅 @Vivaldi why not use SpiderMonkey and Gecko❓

*Table was created with the help of #Bard

#OpenSource #browser #w3c #codinglife

Oct 18, 2023 at 1:05pmWeb
Show threadtubbaduOct 18, 2023
Google chrome… Open source? When?
Show threadPierre \ Ra-Mon Oct 18, 2023

@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox

Maybe Gecko still hasn't become embeddable again❓:
https://www.chrislord.net/2016/02/24/the-case-for-an-embeddable-gecko/

For the Vivaldi choice : https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-vs-google-chrome/#Whats_in_an_engine

The case for an embeddable Gecko – ChrisLord.net

Show threadsouthsamuraiOct 18, 2023

That’s a weird chart in the thumbnail.

Almost all of the common chromium based browsers, but only mainline firefox.

Anyway, it’s definitely a good thing to use more than just the chrome based browsers for the exact reason you said.

However, vivaldi is a decent choice for when you need to. Yeah, their ui isn’t open source, but it really doesn’t matter in real world use. The only other option for me is ungoogled chromium, and cromite on android.

On android, my main browser is mull, with Iibrewolf on PC. I can’t say any non chromium browsers are perfect on android, but mull is plenty fast and does everything you want it to do, and doesn’t do what you don’t want.

Show thread30p87Oct 18, 2023
Probably because chromium based browsers are often marketed as completely separate ones. Browsers based on it want to make the impression that they are a unique browser with outstanding functionality etc.
Edge? It’s Edge, OUR BROWSER, YOU DON’T NEED ANYTHING ELSE.
Vivaldi? It’s Vivaldi, “we built the best browser with most features blabla”.
Opera? It’s Opera, “better, faster and more secure than a default browser”.
In contrast, librewolf.net’s first sentence is literally “A custom version of Firefox…”. Mullvad also says it’s a collaboration with Tor, and a paragraph down they explicitly say it’s Tor, and therefore FF, based.
Many users, me included, don’t see Librewolf or Tor as separate browsers, because the former is basically just a preconfigured FF, and the latter adds an access point to the Tor network and removes some privacy/security harming features (eg. Sync). The Browser, its features, design and features, stay the same.
Show threadLalSalaamComradeOct 18, 2023
This data is probably misleading. Firefox should be way less than what’s being shown. Bard generates text. vomit, so you must be careful about the information you’re getting from it Did you check Statcounter GlobalStats?
Mobile Browser Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats

This graph shows the market share of mobile browsers worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.

StatCounter Global Stats
Show threadSenshīrōOct 18, 2023
@dmenis @Vivaldi @[email protected] from my experience, @Firefox is very good and honestly, the option to customize your browser clean and choose specific settings/changes that Firefox gives you helps your #Privacy. Other things like @brave are there too. I think brave is based on Firefox. In my opinion, we should not wait for google and apple to hope they would do a Browser which has #OpenSource engines, with many add ons or other things and is private friendly. So, stay more with Firefox. #privacy ftw.
Show threadplanetaryprotectionOct 18, 2023

Brave is based on Chromium, not Firefox.

There are Firefox derivatives, but most “alternative” browsers are based on Chromium.

Show threadСірьога-СенсейOct 18, 2023
@Senshiro @dmenis @Vivaldi @[email protected] @Firefox @brave There are things in firefox that piss me off. But, unfortunately, I did not find an alternative
Show threadSenshīrōOct 18, 2023
@SergoZar @dmenis @Vivaldi @[email protected] @Firefox @brave what were points that you don't like of it? So from that it depends what alternative would be the best
Show threadСірьога-СенсейOct 19, 2023

@Senshiro

1. There is no adequate addition of your search engines
2. Keyboard shortcuts cannot be changed
3. You cannot copy links of multiple selected tabs
4. Bad inspector. It is much better in Chromium browsers.
5. No task manager. More precisely, firefox has something similar, but when you want to free the memory of the tab, firefox closes it, and I don't need is

1/?

@dmenis @Vivaldi @[email protected] @Firefox @brave

Show threadСірьога-СенсейOct 19, 2023

@Senshiro

And I still want something that is not in any browser, so I did not add them to this list (and it is also difficult to formulate them because I only remember them when they can be useful)

Basically, Opera and Vivaldi are suitable for points 2-5 (and even for the first point, Vivaldi is suitable, but partially). But they are all closed source and therefore not suitable. So I have to work on Firefox

2/?

@dmenis @Vivaldi @[email protected] @Firefox @brave

Show threadСірьога-СенсейOct 19, 2023

@Senshiro

P.S. Chrome/Chromium/Ungoogled Chromium - do not offer because they have a terrible inconvenient interface and 0 possibilities to configure something.

The only option that suits me is probably to make my browser based on either Firefox or Ungoogled Chromium. But I don't know how, even though I'm a programmer

3/3

@dmenis @Vivaldi @[email protected] @Firefox @brave

Show threadPropaGandalfOct 18, 2023
Personally I’m hyped for Servo
Show threadKyiroOct 18, 2023
I think it’s years off until it’s usable though. Their current focus is on embedded devices iirc because no engine does that well
Show threadPropaGandalfOct 18, 2023
Sure but it’s something to be hyped for.
Show threadKyiroOct 19, 2023
Yeah for sure
Show threadmr_MADAFAKAOct 18, 2023
Vivaldi is not fully open-source
Show threadvoxelOct 18, 2023
it’s source-available
Show threadPossibly linuxOct 18, 2023

Your moms source available.

(Sorry… I’m feeling goofy today)

Show threadilinamoratoOct 18, 2023
Firefox + uBlock Origin is the only thing that makes mobile browsing tolerable. Ads are so bad, and web design so poor, that even if you’re someone who is usually ok with advertising you’ll often find that sites are literally broken if you allow them to render.
Show threadKyiroOct 18, 2023
You can use Cromite (Bromite fork) or Kiwi Browser as well if you’re on Android
Show threadilinamoratoOct 18, 2023
I believe those are both Chromium, right? I’m suspicious that when manifest v2 support ends in Chromium it will kill ad blockers across the Chromium market.
Show threadKyiroOct 18, 2023
Cromite uses some built-in adblocker based off ABP and doesn’t have extensions
Show threadTauOct 18, 2023
You can use Floorp, which is a soft fork of Firefox with Vivaldi features
Show threadVilianOct 18, 2023
were opera is open source lmao
Show threadThe REAL fradie 💚☕💻🤎🏳️‍🌈Oct 18, 2023
@Vilian @dmenis
https://youtu.be/bNrAn1LzaWg
OPERA Browser EXPOSED | Lasst die Finger davon!

YouTube
Show threadJulyTheMonthOct 18, 2023
I mean the list never said that the browser is opensource. The opensource column is for the respective technology to the left of it. So it describes if the js and browser engines are opensource.
Show threadThe REAL fradie 💚☕💻🤎🏳️‍🌈Oct 18, 2023

@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox

https://privacytests.org

Show threadvoxelOct 18, 2023
well safari isn’t open source but there’s also Gnome Web that’s built on open source WebKit and jscore
Show threadPossibly linuxOct 18, 2023
Avoid proprietary software.
Show threadAbhishek KumarOct 18, 2023
@dmenis @Vivaldi @firefox I recommend using a fork of firefox called librewolf a better version of it in terms of privacy and less bloatware. #Bard has limited knowledge and erroneous data.
Show threadsugar_in_your_teaOct 18, 2023
I used to use Opera back when they had their own JavaScript and rendering engine, then bailed and switched back to Firefox when they became a chromium clone.
Show threadChewyOct 19, 2023
Google Chrome, Opera, Microsoft Edge and Vivaldi are not open source. Chromium is open source but all those browsers add additional proprietary functionality on top.
Show threadmintycactusOct 21, 2023
Vivaldi is open-source, but is not free, you can audit code, but you can not modify it without agreements. There is an agreement between Vivaldi and Manjaro Linux to include Vivaldi as default browser, instead of Firefiz. It is also modified with custom theme. Putting Vivaldi in the same line with Chrome and Edge is just wrong.
Show threadChewyOct 21, 2023

The term open source includes the right to modify and distribute source code. Only being able to audit code is called source available.

opensource.org/osd/

Yes, Vivaldi is certainly not as closed as Chrome and is privacy respecting while Edge is the opposite. But if we’re strictly talking about open source they aren’t there. If they’d change the license to an open source one I’d probably given it a go a few years ago. Only being source available stopped me.

The Open Source Definition

Introduction Open source doesn’t just mean access to the source code. The distribution terms of open-source software must comply with the following criteria: 1. Free Redistribution The licens…

Open Source Initiative
Show threadGrassOct 19, 2023
Does Firefox on Android still have whatever supposed flaw the graphene os team said it has? Their own chromium based browser is very lacking in the UX department. Very thumb crampy button layout. They also recommended bromite which is dead. There is cromite which is a fork but it largely has the same issues. I use Firefox on PC, and literally everything else is entirely untrustworthy. The goog has created a pretty lousy situation for the internet where everyone proudly simps for their favourite shitty chrome clones that take advantage of their users.