接下来要读《埃涅阿斯纪》了...估计能读上一个季度。

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From that noble blood will arise a Trojan Caesar,
his empire bound by the Ocean, his glory by the stars:
Julius, a name passed down from Iulus, his great forebear.

听了podcast之后才知道维吉尔写这首诗是被奥古斯都commission的。知道以后就理解为什么Jove会说这个了。

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Aeneas will wage
a long, costly war in Italy, crush defiant tribes
and build high city walls for his people there
and found the rule of law.

【不知道维吉尔的rule of law现在的是不是一样。当然了大概率不一样毕竟罗马那时候都帝制了。但是读到Jove说要建立法律我还是挺震惊的。

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For awaiting the queen, beneath the great temple now,
exploring its features one by one, amazed at it all,
the city’s splendor, the work of rival workers’ hands
and the vast scale of their labors—all at once he sees,
spread out from first to last, the battles fought at Troy,
the fame of the Trojan War now known throughout the world,
Atreus’ sons and Priam—Achilles, savage to both at once.
Aeneas came to a halt and wept, and “Oh, Achates,”
he cried, “is there anywhere, any place on earth
not filled with our ordeals? There’s Priam, look!
Even here, merit will have its true reward . . .
even here, the world is a world of tears
and the burdens of mortality touch the heart.
Dismiss your fears. Trust me, this fame of ours
will offer us some haven.”

听了podcast才知道Lacrimae rerum("tears of things")经常被单独引用,比如在战争纪念碑上。

上面的英文版是Robert Fagles的译版,Robert Fitzgerald是这么翻译的:

“What spot on earth,”
He said, “what region of the earth, Achatës,
Is not full of the story of our sorrow?
Look, here is Priam. Even so far away
Great valor has due honor; they weep here
For how the world goes, and our life that passes
Touches their hearts.

我仔细一想,虽然埃涅阿斯在看的是朱诺庙里的壁画,但是壁画描绘的是特洛伊战争,不也是一种战争纪念碑吗?
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读了一点Fitzgerald的译版感觉反而他的更好读,开始后悔我当时为什么买Fagles的版本。
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笑死,我感觉维纳斯在儿子身上加持的美貌滤镜可比雅典娜在奥德修斯身上搞的深多了。
为什么一卷有那么长,我要读到猴年马月…
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我居然在维吉尔的诗里读到了Pallas Athena而不是Minerva。

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“That said, he drags the old man
straight to the altar, quaking, slithering on through
slicks of his son’s blood, and twisting Priam’s hair
in his left hand, his right hand sweeping forth his sword—
a flash of steel—he buries it hilt-deep in the king’s flank.
“Such was the fate of Priam, his death, his lot on earth,
with Troy blazing before his eyes, her ramparts down,
the monarch who once had ruled in all his glory
the many lands of Asia, Asia’s many tribes.
A powerful trunk is lying on the shore.
The head wrenched from the shoulders.
A corpse without a name.

Priam之死,维吉尔写特洛伊沦陷这段确实惊心动魄。

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Think: it’s not that beauty, Helen, you should hate,
not even Paris, the man that you should blame, no,
it’s the gods, the ruthless gods who are tearing down
the wealth of Troy, her toppling crown of towers.

没想到维纳斯直接对儿子说不要怨海伦也不要怨帕里斯,怨诸神吧。

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本来想说埃涅阿斯怎么没有回头看妻子,结果他直接跑回陷落的特洛伊。
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我突然有那么一点喜欢埃涅阿斯逃离特洛伊的时候还带着家神这一点,就好像他们离开故土但是带着家的碎片一样。
去看了一眼地图,奥德修斯你花十年走了人家埃涅阿斯一半的路你到底怎么回事【问就是在人家卡吕普索岛上当了7年sex slave
感觉在读一个古希腊/罗马战争难民的移民故事…
讲解说那时候罗马人看希腊就好像现在美国人看欧洲,尤其是英国。政治、军事、经济实力上是无可争议的头把交椅,但是文化上很焦虑。
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维吉尔真是绝了,把《奥德赛》里那些奇奇怪怪的地方全部安进了地图...您写的是荷马史诗同人吧!
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我觉得这不是神谕是闯关攻略吧大哥!哪有神谕这么长这么详细的啊!
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按照维吉尔这个说法,地狱的入口就在爱奥尼亚海中间是吧!
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读到Andromache在埃涅阿斯临行前给他儿子一件自己织的斗篷,说孩子让他想起她和赫克托尔的孩子...
我去查了一下她和赫克托尔的孩子到底怎么了,在众多版本里被扔下特洛伊城墙是出现频率最高的。
另外我也这才知道Orestes杀了阿喀琉斯的儿子,你们父辈的积怨还是传到了儿子这代啊。

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我知道有点套路但是读起来还是心酸:要是Astyanax还活着,他该跟你一样大了

“Andromache grieves no less at our final parting.
She brings out robes shot through with gilded thread
and a Phrygian cloak for Ascanius. Not to be outdone
in kindness, weighing him down with woven gifts
she says: ‘Please take these as well, the work
of my hands, reminders of me to you, dear boy,
and tokens of my love . . .
the love of Hector’s Andromache that never dies.
Take them. The last gifts from your own people.
You are the only image of my Astyanax that’s left.
His eyes, his hands, his features, so like yours—
he would be growing up now, just your age.’

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埃涅阿斯终于讲完了他到迦太基之前的航行故事,这故事比奥德修斯的还是短多了。而且维吉尔还在荷马的故事框架里自创人物...
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读到Juno打算在埃涅阿斯和狄多打猎的时候下雨,然后让他俩在山洞里避雨的时候结为连理,我:
为什么我会在维吉尔里读到理查德·柯蒂斯电影?
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埃涅阿斯和狄多到底在洞里干了什么?做爱吗?埃涅阿斯的儿子还在场呢!他俩这个婚礼(还是神的包办婚姻哦)到底咋办的?
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就当埃涅阿斯是沉迷支线任务太久被叫走了吧,我觉得他对狄多也真的无情。但凡不在他的家庭责任范围内就可以不管是吧…只对父亲儿子负责。
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Or Agamemnon’s Orestes hounded off the stage,
fleeing his mother armed with torches, black snakes,
while blocking the doorway coil her Furies of Revenge.
【读的东西真的混一块去了,但是为什么是off the stage呀,它不应该和荷马史诗一样真的发生过吗?
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维吉尔为什么不多花点笔墨写埃涅阿斯和Dido怎么谈恋爱呢?Dido发疯自杀还写得跟她罪有应得似的,写得挺好我就是喜欢不起来。为什么付出代价的非得是Dido呢?

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原来罗马的习俗是Proserpina取走死人的一缕头发吗?

With that, she cut the lock with her hand and all at once
the warmth slipped away, the life dissolved in the winds.

【就莫名想起了Candle In the Wind
以及这段里对彩虹女神Iris的描写好美啊,她飞过的地方就会留下彩虹的痕迹

更正:昨天晚上读的时候没注意,珀耳塞福涅只是取走头发作为她的供品,这里Iris代她行使这个职责,因为Dido是自杀的。

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我知道也许不该这么看古罗马人的史诗,但我真的不那么喜欢埃涅阿斯到了一个地方就开始建墙这种事情...而且里面那么崇尚集体主义...
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所以Dido是什么牺牲小我成全大我的范例吗?我真的没法接受一个爱情故事写成这样。
【一些集体主义教育阴影。
原来是罗马和迦太基打了很多仗...无语了。还有安东尼和Cleopatra的事...
接下来又是什么葬礼竞技赛,一些《伊利亚特》阴影浮出脑海。

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原来竞技赛上夺冠的标志是棕榈叶呀(居然不是桂冠什么的)!
但是棕榈叶要怎么颁奖,抱着?拖着?那么大一个叶子怎么举着都很诡异(别跟我说戴头上)。

更正:读到后面确实是戴桂冠。只有拳击比赛的胜利者才有棕榈叶。

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可能是因为维吉尔写的过于现实主义,我开始觉得往坟墓洒libations太不卫生了。两碗酒,两碗奶,两碗血,墓不脏死?
所以古希腊罗马人pour libation到底是洒地上还是倒进一个容器里?我现在已经混乱了。我以为是直接洒地上的?
(叹气)不看体育比赛但是要读两千多年前(虚构的)体育比赛实况转播。
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救命,划船比赛里船长还生气把舵手扔下船 
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我说怎么半天读不明白,原来射箭比赛是在桅杆上面绑一只活的鸽子(说来你们哪里抓的鸽子?)