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Tulsa mom pleads guilty to allowing 12-year-old daughter to get pregnant by grown man

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It was one of the most bizarre sex crimes in recent Tulsa history. Now it’s over, and both adults involved are headed to prison. The 12-year-old girl showed up a Hillcrest Hospital in midtown Tulsa in July 2021 in labor. The father-to-be apparently expected to walk out with the girl and their new bundle of joy. “They walked in just like any other couple would, excited to deliver their newborn child,” Tulsa Police Officer Danny Bean told FOX23 News in 2021. When the child, well below the age of consent, showed up to give birth, doctors immediately called Tulsa Police to report what was happening.

Oct 4, 2023 at 10:35amWeb
Show threadLerajeOct 4, 2023
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Tulsa mom pleads guilty to allowing 12-year-old daughter to get pregnant by grown man

It was one of the most bizarre sex crimes in recent Tulsa history. Now it's over, and both adults involved are headed to prison.

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Show threadHupfOct 4, 2023
Actually seeing HTTP 451 in the wild though
Show threadINeedManaOct 4, 2023

After reading the title, I did not expect this to get even more fucked up

Miranda-Jara was initially in a relationship with the girl’s mother but when things soured between the two, mom allowed Miranda-Jara to move on to her then-12-year-old daughter. Eventually, they would begin living together as a couple

Show threadgravitas_deficiencyOct 4, 2023
That is fuckin’ WILD. Holy shit.
Show threadMagicShelOct 4, 2023

How do you have an entire fucking family show up for a baby shower and not one god damn person says a thing? How do these people show up at a hospital with a pregnant 12 year old thinking this was going to have a happy ending?

That’s some George Costanza shit right there. “Was I not supposed to impregnate 12 year olds? Because I had no idea. I mean if someone had told me that was frowned on around here, I never would’ve done it.”

Show threadgivesomefucksOct 4, 2023

The rapist was at the hospital for delivery and proudly told everyone he was the dad, even the police that the hospital called…

Cops said even after he was in the cop car he didn’t understand why he was being arrested.

Show threadtsonfeirOct 4, 2023
REPUBLICANS is how
Show threadgravitas_deficiencyOct 4, 2023

It’s god’s plan!

Source: uncle is a Christian fundie

Show threadaceshighOct 5, 2023
generational dysfunction. this type of thing is normal for them. i bet this kind of thing has happened in their family before.
Show threadmadcaesarOct 5, 2023
Please do not compare funny man George to this piece of human garbage.
Show threadindomaraOct 4, 2023

The last sentence is a punch in the gut.

“The girl’s father was in prison for a separate sex crime and has no involvement in his daughter’s life, Tulsa Police told FOX23 News at the time of the incident.”

Show threadWetBeardHairsOct 4, 2023
Yeah that girl is an orphan AND a mother. Fuck.
Show threadBurn_The_RightOct 4, 2023
No one would have been in trouble if they were married. In Oklahoma, there are no age restrictions for marriage. An adult can marry a toddler if they want. Child marriage is a long-standing conservative tradition, unfortunately.
Show threadBabyWahOct 4, 2023
Don’t give them any ideas…
Show threadKalashOct 4, 2023

No one would have been in trouble if they were married

Would being married actually nullify age of consent laws though?

Genuinely asking.

Show threadBurn_The_RightOct 4, 2023
Yes. If they were married, the sex would be legal.
Show threadKalashOct 4, 2023
That’s seriously fucked up. Even for the US.
Show threadBurn_The_RightOct 4, 2023
I grew up in the south surrounded by conservatives. They absolutely don’t see the problem with it. Conservatives see all straight same-race weddings as “traditional marriage” which is “sanctified by god”, which transcends age and man’s law.
Show threadagent_flounderOct 4, 2023
rape*
Show threadBurn_The_RightOct 4, 2023
Rape is OK too. The bible does not actually condemn rape, especially of a spouse.
Show threadoatscoopOct 5, 2023
Condem it? It has rules for rape.
Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 21:10-14 - New International Version

Marrying a Captive Woman - When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

Bible Gateway
Show threadBurn_The_RightOct 5, 2023
Exactly. The bible effectively endorses rape.
Show threadidiomaddictOct 4, 2023
Most consent laws used to be written so that marriage would be an exception. Whether Oklahomas have or not is a toss up, but given that they didn’t add a lower limit on marriage age, I’d guess they haven’t updated many of those laws in a while.
Show threadjoel_feilaOct 4, 2023
Yes they do and to a cheryy on top. It does not grant the child the right to sign othet contracts. So they have to get permission to hire a divorce lawyer. American law, American order at it’s finest
Show threadI_Fart_GlitterOct 4, 2023
Even with the lawyer they need permission for the divorce. Running away is often their only choice to avoid being constantly raped by an old man. In the USA. In 2023. unchainedatlast.org/united-states-child-marriage-…
United States' Child Marriage Problem: Study Findings (April 2021) - Unchained At Last

The United States has a child marriage problem - but a simple solution is available.

Unchained At Last
Show threadjoel_feilaOct 4, 2023
Thats what ivwas saying
Show threadKage520Oct 4, 2023
Wtf I did not know it went to new levels of horribleness
Show threadNewbyOct 4, 2023
Just an FYI, minors CAN enter into contracts. It is true infancy imparts a lack of capacity. However, minors can still enter contracts. They are voidable at the election of the minor party until a reasonable time after reaching the age of maturity unless the contract is for necessities, then it is not voidable.
Show threadtherealrjpOct 4, 2023
I felt like this couldn’t possibly be true. I was wrong.
Show threadJokeDeityOct 4, 2023
You must not know many American conservatives. Child marriage is a big thing for them.
Show threadtrashmonkeyOct 4, 2023
I disagree with the no age restrictions statement. That makes it sound like there are no restrictions. According to , in Oklahoma, you have to be 18 to get married, 16 with a parent’s permission, and any age under 16 requires a court order.
Show threadfilcukOct 4, 2023
I can’t imagine a use for court ordered marriage that would result in anything good.
Show threadM0oP0oOct 4, 2023

Q:How did ma ma and pa pa meet?

A:our relationship was Court Ordered.

Show threadDragonTypeWyvernOct 4, 2023
Literally the future incels want
Show threadWaxedWookieOct 5, 2023
One of my wife’s friends needed parental consent because she got married at 17 (to a guy a few years older). The whole thing worked out OKish - they’ve been together nearly 20 years, had a couple of kids, but I think they both recognise they got together too young, and wouldn’t otherwise be together today - though they have no plans to separate.
Show threadSterlingVaporOct 6, 2023

I can. By making it technically possible, you can divert attention.

One example would be for crazy edge situations. Like letting children with terminal illnesses fulfill their last wishes, or letting hormone ridden teens make their case to a judge, keeping them from more extreme actions.

But more practically, I think this is a great idea… 99.9% of anyone asking for this either needs court ordered mental evaluation and/or a referral to CPS to do a deep dig into the situation. By making it technically possible, that means anyone seriously pursuing this has to explain themselves to a judge.

Unfortunately our judicial system has a lot more to do with money than justice (so most people who would actually go through with this probably have the money to protect themselves from consequences), but this law would be a sensible part of a more perfect system… Granted this should almost never be granted by the court (terminally ill child is the only situation that makes sense to me), but there’s value in it

My opinion would change greatly if this is a real path to child marriage rather than a mostly theoretical possibility

Show threadaceshighOct 5, 2023

any age under 16 requires a court order.

i wonder under what circumstances this happens.

Show threadjoel_feilaOct 5, 2023
mostly when the girl is raped by her future husband and the family did want to live with the shame/sin of sex before marriage. So they just marry off the girl and pretend the sex happened after the wedding
Show threadaceshighOct 5, 2023
that’s not what a court order is.
Show threadjoel_feilaOct 5, 2023
But it is what pushes courts to allow or fill out an order for a child marriage
Show threadLillyPipOct 5, 2023

An adult can marry a toddler if they want.

No way that’s true. How is this the top comment?

Even if hyperbole, come on. Even famously backwards Oklahoma isn’t that bad. Jesus.

Show threadNuddingOct 4, 2023
There are literally hundreds of child marriages in the US every year.
Show threaddragonflyteapartyOct 4, 2023
Which all need to stop unless they fall under Romeo and Juliet laws.
Show threadEvie Oct 4, 2023
Honestly as unpopular as it is for me to say…, those need to be stopped too… no one should be getting married as teens when they can’t vote or sign a contract legally…
Show threadricecakeOct 4, 2023
Romeo and Juliet laws are fine for consent purposes, but yeah… They can wait for marriage until they’re both adults.
Too many weird ways that people can technically get away with selling children.
Show threadEvie Oct 4, 2023
For consent, yes! But the contract/marriage part… I think they are more dangerous than good.
Show threadtinkeringidiotOct 4, 2023

Shouldn’t be that unpopular, really. Under those laws, a 16 year old can marry an 18 year old no problem. But, if things aren’t so great a year later (and let’s be honest, we all know people who’ve had those marriages), the now 17 year old needs permission from their adult spouse (parents don’t count anymore, since marriage also emancipates them) to retain an attorney or file for divorce.

Giving the maximum benefit of doubt here and assuming that Romeo and Juliette laws are an honest attempt not to saddle young lovers with a lifetime offender registration, the marriage component of them should be scrapped.

Show threadEvie Oct 4, 2023
Couldn’t agree more!!
Show threadxc2215xOct 4, 2023
This is quite messed up. I understand the decision to charge her.
Show threadSCBOct 4, 2023

Everyone in this case is just stupid, and stupid people aren’t a threat to society, and putting these people in prison hurts the already-traumatized girl even further. She should be removed from the home and both adults should be liable for child support while also under a no-contact order until the child is 18 and can decide to continue it or not.

This probably doesn’t need to be said but Oklahoma is a shitty hellscape.

Show threadlolcatnipOct 4, 2023
Sure, let’s just ignore all the rape because the defendants are stupid.
Show threadSCBOct 4, 2023

As you can see by reading my post, I did not ignore the sexual assault.

However, no one gains from these people being imprisoned and people who want others “punished” should not be in the room when adult decisions are being made.

A vengeance-based prison system is immoral to the point of being evil, and a sign of barbarism in the person advocating for it.

Show threadagent_flounderOct 4, 2023

Once again for the folks in the back…

A vengeance-based prison system is immoral to the point of being evil, and a sign of barbarism in the person advocating for it.

Without rehabilitation and lower recidivism it only makes things worse not better for society. More and better rehabilitation programs are needed. And we need to do a far, far better job of addressing poverty and child abuse.

Also, privatized prisons stand in the way of achieving the greater good here. Sort of like privatized healthcare and health insurance.

Show threadtryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺Oct 4, 2023

In this case we do gain, because less stupid people will otherwise go scotts free with playing stupid.

The law must consider intent to a certain degree, but it cannot be bent all the way if someone is considered too stupid to think about his own behaviour as problematic.

Show threadSCBOct 4, 2023
If we’re putting stupid people in prison for being stupid, were going to need a LOT more prisons.
Show threadickplantOct 4, 2023
You totally ignored the sexual assault. You said it’s just “stupidity.” Raping an 11-year old girl is a lot more than stupidity. They all need to go to prison.
Show threadSCBOct 4, 2023
My comment is pretty short and this should not be difficult to parse.
Show threadAWistfulNihilistOct 4, 2023

I wouldn’t say you justified, buuuuuuut, you are literally reducing the punishment of the adults because of some perceived additional damage to the abused child. Which almost totally removes the accountability for the act, the only accountability in this case is separation, which would need to be done either way.

I would say this girl has been so unprotected by her guardians and the rest of the family that separation will be a net positive for her in the future.

You’re characterization of the other person’s totally normal opinion as evil tells me everything I need to know about you tho.

Show threadSCBOct 4, 2023

literally reducing the punishment of the adults

Yes. Punishment is meaningless in the current prison system and has no reason to exist other than to slake the bloodthirst of the populace.

If someone is not an imminent threat to others they should not be imprisoned.

Show threadDonjuanmeOct 4, 2023
You say the person who proudly rapes kids isn’t a threat to anyone? Go back to Reddit and stop trying to give Lemmy a bad name.