MicroWaveOct 4, 2023

Tulsa mom pleads guilty to allowing 12-year-old daughter to get pregnant by grown man

https://lemmy.world/post/6275945

Tulsa mom pleads guilty to allowing 12-year-old daughter to get pregnant by grown man - Lemmy.world

It was one of the most bizarre sex crimes in recent Tulsa history. Now it’s over, and both adults involved are headed to prison. The 12-year-old girl showed up a Hillcrest Hospital in midtown Tulsa in July 2021 in labor. The father-to-be apparently expected to walk out with the girl and their new bundle of joy. “They walked in just like any other couple would, excited to deliver their newborn child,” Tulsa Police Officer Danny Bean told FOX23 News in 2021. When the child, well below the age of consent, showed up to give birth, doctors immediately called Tulsa Police to report what was happening.

Show threadBurn_The_Right
No one would have been in trouble if they were married. In Oklahoma, there are no age restrictions for marriage. An adult can marry a toddler if they want. Child marriage is a long-standing conservative tradition, unfortunately.
Oct 4, 2023 at 11:28amWeb
Show threadBabyWahOct 4, 2023
Don’t give them any ideas…
Show threadKalashOct 4, 2023

No one would have been in trouble if they were married

Would being married actually nullify age of consent laws though?

Genuinely asking.

Show threadBurn_The_RightOct 4, 2023
Yes. If they were married, the sex would be legal.
Show threadKalashOct 4, 2023
That’s seriously fucked up. Even for the US.
Show threadBurn_The_RightOct 4, 2023
I grew up in the south surrounded by conservatives. They absolutely don’t see the problem with it. Conservatives see all straight same-race weddings as “traditional marriage” which is “sanctified by god”, which transcends age and man’s law.
Show threadagent_flounderOct 4, 2023
rape*
Show threadBurn_The_RightOct 4, 2023
Rape is OK too. The bible does not actually condemn rape, especially of a spouse.
Show threadoatscoopOct 5, 2023
Condem it? It has rules for rape.
Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 21:10-14 - New International Version

Marrying a Captive Woman - When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

Bible Gateway
Show threadBurn_The_RightOct 5, 2023
Exactly. The bible effectively endorses rape.
Show threadidiomaddictOct 4, 2023
Most consent laws used to be written so that marriage would be an exception. Whether Oklahomas have or not is a toss up, but given that they didn’t add a lower limit on marriage age, I’d guess they haven’t updated many of those laws in a while.
Show threadjoel_feilaOct 4, 2023
Yes they do and to a cheryy on top. It does not grant the child the right to sign othet contracts. So they have to get permission to hire a divorce lawyer. American law, American order at it’s finest
Show threadI_Fart_GlitterOct 4, 2023
Even with the lawyer they need permission for the divorce. Running away is often their only choice to avoid being constantly raped by an old man. In the USA. In 2023. unchainedatlast.org/united-states-child-marriage-…
United States' Child Marriage Problem: Study Findings (April 2021) - Unchained At Last

The United States has a child marriage problem - but a simple solution is available.

Unchained At Last
Show threadjoel_feilaOct 4, 2023
Thats what ivwas saying
Show threadKage520Oct 4, 2023
Wtf I did not know it went to new levels of horribleness
Show threadNewbyOct 4, 2023
Just an FYI, minors CAN enter into contracts. It is true infancy imparts a lack of capacity. However, minors can still enter contracts. They are voidable at the election of the minor party until a reasonable time after reaching the age of maturity unless the contract is for necessities, then it is not voidable.
Show threadtherealrjpOct 4, 2023
I felt like this couldn’t possibly be true. I was wrong.
Show threadJokeDeityOct 4, 2023
You must not know many American conservatives. Child marriage is a big thing for them.
Show threadtrashmonkeyOct 4, 2023
I disagree with the no age restrictions statement. That makes it sound like there are no restrictions. According to , in Oklahoma, you have to be 18 to get married, 16 with a parent’s permission, and any age under 16 requires a court order.
Show threadfilcukOct 4, 2023
I can’t imagine a use for court ordered marriage that would result in anything good.
Show threadM0oP0oOct 4, 2023

Q:How did ma ma and pa pa meet?

A:our relationship was Court Ordered.

Show threadDragonTypeWyvernOct 4, 2023
Literally the future incels want
Show threadWaxedWookieOct 5, 2023
One of my wife’s friends needed parental consent because she got married at 17 (to a guy a few years older). The whole thing worked out OKish - they’ve been together nearly 20 years, had a couple of kids, but I think they both recognise they got together too young, and wouldn’t otherwise be together today - though they have no plans to separate.
Show threadSterlingVaporOct 6, 2023

I can. By making it technically possible, you can divert attention.

One example would be for crazy edge situations. Like letting children with terminal illnesses fulfill their last wishes, or letting hormone ridden teens make their case to a judge, keeping them from more extreme actions.

But more practically, I think this is a great idea… 99.9% of anyone asking for this either needs court ordered mental evaluation and/or a referral to CPS to do a deep dig into the situation. By making it technically possible, that means anyone seriously pursuing this has to explain themselves to a judge.

Unfortunately our judicial system has a lot more to do with money than justice (so most people who would actually go through with this probably have the money to protect themselves from consequences), but this law would be a sensible part of a more perfect system… Granted this should almost never be granted by the court (terminally ill child is the only situation that makes sense to me), but there’s value in it

My opinion would change greatly if this is a real path to child marriage rather than a mostly theoretical possibility

Show threadaceshighOct 5, 2023

any age under 16 requires a court order.

i wonder under what circumstances this happens.

Show threadjoel_feilaOct 5, 2023
mostly when the girl is raped by her future husband and the family did want to live with the shame/sin of sex before marriage. So they just marry off the girl and pretend the sex happened after the wedding
Show threadaceshighOct 5, 2023
that’s not what a court order is.
Show threadjoel_feilaOct 5, 2023
But it is what pushes courts to allow or fill out an order for a child marriage
Show threadLillyPipOct 5, 2023

An adult can marry a toddler if they want.

No way that’s true. How is this the top comment?

Even if hyperbole, come on. Even famously backwards Oklahoma isn’t that bad. Jesus.