Loukas (They/Them) 🏳️⚧️The fact that 'fifteen-minute cities' is now a dirty word really puts into perspective all the time people spent agonising over whether 'defund the police' and similar slogans were too radical.
You can call your proposal 'free cake for everyone' but if it threatens powerful groups you'll get painted as a sinister plot anyway.
PJ "Vote Green" CoffeyGot to confess when I heard 15 minute cities I thought they were cities where you could get to wherever you wanted in 15 minutes. I didn't think walking.
The people who were convinced that they'd be trapped in a 15 minute block? They're having to really contort their minds on this.
ZenithAstralis@Loukas reading up on this was an emotional rollercoaster of feeling good that this sort of thing is being worked on, then depressed that people would.. protest against it!? Have another crude oil slushie while they're at it, why don't they...
Nathalie Van Raemdonck@Loukas free cake? what is this, a sinister plot to fatten up the population? and 'everyone'? sounds like commie propaganda! /s
@eilah_tan it's the road to serfdom
Ehproque has moved@eilah_tan @Loukas what is some people who don't deserve cake get to eat cake? I won't stand for this! Plus there's no such thing as free cake!
This is so unfair to my grandpa who had to pay for cake all until he died in 1980!
This is so unfair to my grandpa who had to pay for cake all until he died in 1980!
Virginia Holloway@eilah_tan @Loukas exactly. If people don’t have to earn their cake they will become lazy. And if everyone has cake how will we know who the good people are. Now we know it’s the people with the most cake, but if everyone had cake how would you know who to look down on?
Nina Kalinina@Loukas Wouldn't free cakes threaten the whole cake making industry profits? 🍰
undead enby of the apocalypse@Loukas @nina_kali_nina you say that like it’s a bad thing
@enby_of_the_apocalypse @Loukas that's what I tried to do, yes. But I bet the cake industry is going to make it sound even worser.
eyajpng@Loukas the cake is a lie
cohomology is FUN!@Loukas how about “Free lunch for all school kids”? That sounds like an obviously good idea to me, but it’s controversial in the US.
Douglas McMillan@Loukas The same idiots trying to villianize "15 minute cities" are almost certainly the same people that rave about "small towns"
Valheru Rides@Loukas OMFG WEF! CDC! ULEZ!!! I think that's all the nutter tags.
em | שמחה@Loukas i think the response to 15 minute cities reaffirms my affinity to really brazen slogans like "literally eat the rich" and "fully automated luxury space communism".
@em the history of successful reforms suggests they are often granted because of fear of really radical demands, rather than because of recognising moderate demands as sensible.
Jeremy Kahn@Homebrewandhacking huh. i can amend the way i say it.
i thought since the internet decided a while ago that space is gay, it was redundant to say gay AND space
i thought since the internet decided a while ago that space is gay, it was redundant to say gay AND space
I'm just messing around but I guess it's a big Internet since I hadn't heard about space coming out.
Who am I to assign gender to the infinite? 😀
PassengerCan confirm. Space is gay.
(Okay, strictly speaking a flat Minkowski spacetime is straight, but as soon as you put any mass in the system, what does it do? It bends.)
siriusfox 📡⇄🚀⇆🛰️The New Deal?
@trochee @Loukas @em I’m lost? I didn’t think the new deal added anything in the way of income taxes? I ended up going back to double check my memory. My (incorrect) recollection was the first income tax came about as part of servicing war bonds from the revolutionary war. Turns out the first federal income tax was to after the fact fund the civil war.
@trochee @Loukas @em and that would be why. Apparently it wasn’t a driver of funds because it hit so few people, but there was indeed a new tax added. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1935
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Log 🪵@fishidwardrobe @em @Loukas It means we're building a new orbital ring and I get to design the fourth plate.
Jennifer Moore 😷"Literally" eating rich people (or any people) would be a bad idea! You don't want their germs!
(AIUI, historical rules against eating pork probably have similar origins: pigs and humans share some diseases.)
_Metaphorically_ eating rich people is a lot more arguable, e.g. by sharing out their riches :-)
@Loukas humans aren't kosher to eat, so i wouldn't actively partake. Also their position in the food chain makes them bioaccumulators, which means they have too many heavy metals to consume safely.
Taqwa System 
@Loukas I only heard it from corporations
@Loukas 15 minute cities
Earthworm 🐌I get on a weekly basis whatsapp conspiracy shit about how 15 minute cities will steal our freedom and Bill Gates plans a totalitarian surveillance state.
I agree that there are some conspirationists you can't calculate in your equation because they are so absurdly creative.
But one of the problems I see is that, after significant popular and scientific pressure, some elites start to embrace certain green capitalism tech-fix compatible ideas. And it is difficult to trust them, as the dynamics of accumulating/concentrating wealth are not necessarily aligned with social and environmental interests of people that consider themselves not profiting from these developments. Think about green areas im cities promoting gentrification, large-scale renewable energy projects vs biodiversity, digitalization and connectedness to improve energy efficiency...
From a 'realist' perspective we need to acknowledge that capital and power are needed for a quick transition, and that these forces usually don't give anything for free.
But we stumble as society from one crisis to the next, lacking a positive, proactive vision for an ecosocial transformation.
But also on the other hand with any idea good we come up, some rightwing-conspiracy pops up and is amplified through the mechanisms we know social media, politicians and awfully bad corporate media...
(Haha. I agree totally with @Loukas)
@trans_caracal
@earthworm @Loukas If we keep capital we won't have any ecological transformation. Their interest is exploiting Earth.
Tom Walker@Loukas Definitely - the far right is so far gone that it can pick up any innocuous phrase and turn it into a conspiracy theory.
Slight side point: The thing that bugs me about defund is that almost everyone who uses it is now overly defensive about it ("oh we don't really mean defund...") which does quite defeat the point of a radical slogan.
@tomw yes good point.
Spring Jo 🥚 
🍀@Loukas I'm sorry what why
Does it stand for "everything within 15 minutes of walking"? If so, why the fuck is it a dirty word? Has anti-livable-urbanism gotten to that point?
@ShadowJonathan it's become the subject of a conspiracy by people who think it's a trick to control people. Usually people who also thought the same of covid.
metalfabs@ShadowJonathan @Loukas The conspiracy theory is that it's going to ban people from travelling more than 15 minutes from their home. Absolutely nonsense but that's where we are these days.
clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛@ShadowJonathan @Loukas "They're coming for your cars! You'll need a passport to go to the mall!"
Even as someone who has been around the web since it was born, it's astonishing.
@ShadowJonathan @Loukas They're really like that. They literally think that it's a sinister plot to make you soft and then take away your freedoms. That it starts with you not having to leave your neighborhood and ends with you not being allowed to.
Says the people who haven't left their country.
@ShadowJonathan @Loukas @froztbyte
Thread on disinfo, which mentions an article on the 15-minute city conspiracy theory
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Nonilex (@[email protected])
For instance, today NPR has a story about an #UrbanPlanning trend called #15minuteCities —designing cities so that you #access amenities in a short walk, bike ride or trip on public transport. Now there's a #ConspiracyTheory saying that this is a way to restrict people's movement or to trap people in an open-air prison. #ClimateDisinformation #ClimateSolutions #ClimateCrisis https://www.npr.org/2023/10/08/1204548952/the-15-minute-city-could-limit-global-warming-if-it-can-counter-misinformation
@clacke @ShadowJonathan @Loukas @Nonilex thanks, I hate it
(I'd ask "wtf is wrong with these people" but I know. gah.)
Catarina Lourenço@Loukas some people need to be confined to 15 minutes of internet per year #conspiracytheories
@Loukas wait, what's that (15min cities) in reference to? I haven't run into it before
internetsdairy@Loukas When I very first heard the term, I gotta admit I thought it meant a city everyone could live in idyllically for 15 minutes and then it would be destroyed.
Nick@internetsdairy @Loukas Like the alleged “15 minute seats” in McDonalds, that aren’t comfortable enough to have folk hanging around and taking up space.
@Nickiquote @Loukas I think the lighting does that on its own...
Neil Kandalgaonkar@Loukas I thought “Black Lives Matter” was the perfect slogan because who could argue with that
gadgetoid@Loukas to be fair it’s a very clumsy way to say “village.”
@Loukas these folks hate anything that they see as potentially improving things for other people, completely independent of whether it makes anything better for themselves
in another society they would have been responsible for the piles of little arms Kurtz describes in Apocalypse Now
...another society, or possibly 10 years from now...
in another society they would have been responsible for the piles of little arms Kurtz describes in Apocalypse Now
...another society, or possibly 10 years from now...