The fact that 'fifteen-minute cities' is now a dirty word really puts into perspective all the time people spent agonising over whether 'defund the police' and similar slogans were too radical.
@Loukas i think the response to 15 minute cities reaffirms my affinity to really brazen slogans like "literally eat the rich" and "fully automated luxury space communism".
@em the history of successful reforms suggests they are often granted because of fear of really radical demands, rather than because of recognising moderate demands as sensible.

@Loukas @em

That's how the US got an income tax

To the oligarchs, the income tax was far less scary than the guillotine

@trochee @em England got income tax to fund war with France, so I like your version better.

@Loukas @trochee @em

Just moving that Overton window. And I thought it was fully automated luxury gay space communism. Don't deQueerify it. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Otherwise it doesn't work as well!

@Homebrewandhacking huh. i can amend the way i say it.
i thought since the internet decided a while ago that space is gay, it was redundant to say gay AND space

@em

I'm just messing around but I guess it's a big Internet since I hadn't heard about space coming out.

Who am I to assign gender to the infinite? ๐Ÿ˜€

@Homebrewandhacking @em

Can confirm. Space is gay.

(Okay, strictly speaking a flat Minkowski spacetime is straight, but as soon as you put any mass in the system, what does it do? It bends.)

@passenger

Ahhhh... an unexpected reason. Very good. ๐Ÿ˜€

@em

@trochee @Loukas @em what? Which event are you thinking of?

@siriusfox @Loukas @em

The New Deal?

@trochee @Loukas @em Iโ€™m lost? I didnโ€™t think the new deal added anything in the way of income taxes? I ended up going back to double check my memory. My (incorrect) recollection was the first income tax came about as part of servicing war bonds from the revolutionary war. Turns out the first federal income tax was to after the fact fund the civil war.
@trochee @Loukas @em and that would be why. Apparently it wasnโ€™t a driver of funds because it hit so few people, but there was indeed a new tax added. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1935
Revenue Act of 1935 - Wikipedia

@trochee @Loukas @em not exactly the origins of US income tax from the sounds of things though.

@em @Loukas "fully automated luxury space communism" is good, because taken literally it's clearly nonsense.

But we know what it means.

@fishidwardrobe @em @Loukas It means we're building a new orbital ring and I get to design the fourth plate.

@em @Loukas

"Literally" eating rich people (or any people) would be a bad idea! You don't want their germs!

(AIUI, historical rules against eating pork probably have similar origins: pigs and humans share some diseases.)

_Metaphorically_ eating rich people is a lot more arguable, e.g. by sharing out their riches :-)

@Loukas humans aren't kosher to eat, so i wouldn't actively partake. Also their position in the food chain makes them bioaccumulators, which means they have too many heavy metals to consume safely.