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Boy, 16, arrested after felling of famous Sycamore Gap tree at Hadrian’s Wall

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Boy, 16, arrested after felling of famous Sycamore Gap tree at Hadrian’s Wall - Lemmy.world

A 16-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage in connection with the felling of the 300-year-old Sycamore Gap tree in the north of England. Officers arrested the teenager amid an outpouring of sadness over the destruction of the landmark, which has been a feature of the site at Hadrian’s Wall in Northumberland for hundreds of years. The boy is in custody and assisting officers with their inquiries, Northumbria police said on Thursday. Locals and national park authorities said they were “struggling to see the logic” in the destruction of a sycamore which had long become “part of this area’s DNA” and had gone through thousands of changes of seasons. The tree, believed to have been about 300 years old, was made famous when it appeared in the 1991 film Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, starring Kevin Costner.

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Officers arrested the teenager amid an outpouring of sadness over the destruction of the landmark, which has been a feature of the site at Hadrian’s Wall in Northumberland for hundreds of years.

Locals and national park authorities said they were “struggling to see the logic” in the destruction of a sycamore which had long become “part of this area’s DNA” and had gone through thousands of changes of seasons.

The tree, believed to have been about 300 years old, was made famous when it appeared in the 1991 film Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, starring Kevin Costner.

Supt Kevin Waring of Northumbria police said on Thursday: “This is a world-renowned landmark and the events of today have caused significant shock, sadness and anger throughout the local community and beyond.

Tony Gates, the chief executive of the Northumberland national park authority, said staff at the visitor centre had been in tears after arriving in the morning and finding the famous tree felled.

The Twice Brewed Inn, a stone’s throw from the site, has offered a £1,500 bar tab to anyone with information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the person who carried out the offence.

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Kofu Sep 29, 2023

There is no logic, only destruction.

qooqie Sep 29, 2023

I’m really not a big fan of the teenage phase some go through where they think it’s fun to be edgy and crap on other people’s hobbies and interests.

TheHangedMan Sep 29, 2023

It can be frustrating to see, but they have a tonne going on biologically. I’ve had a bunch of friends, nieces & nephews that have all been horrible when teenagers, then grow up to be fantastic, kind people.

520 Sep 29, 2023

That's because they learned where being an asshole gets them.

tsonfeir Sep 29, 2023

Some don’t. And, the people around them suffer. Of this kid gets a slap on the hand, it sends a message: “you can do whatever you want with no consequences.”

520 Sep 29, 2023

This kid will not be getting a mere slap, no matter what police do. This kid will be shunned almost completely from the local community.

spacecowboy Sep 29, 2023

As he should.

tsonfeir Sep 29, 2023

He can move and never hear about it again.

520 Sep 30, 2023

His idiocy made national news. Where's he going to go to avoid it? Gibraltar?

tsonfeir Sep 30, 2023

Haha brexit. Whoopsie 🤪

520 Sep 30, 2023

That and a lack of language tuition. European countries overwhelmingly do their schooling in their native languages, something English schools aren't good at teaching.

Lols [they/them]Sep 30, 2023

you consider having to move as “no consequences”?

TheGreenGolem Sep 30, 2023

As an 18 year old it was a blessing when I could finally move out. And I wanted it for years at that point.

Lols [they/them]Sep 30, 2023

im putting 10 bucks on that not actually being the universal experience, especially to a different town

tsonfeir Sep 30, 2023

I’ve moved many times. It’s not a big deal. If I commit a crime and “moving” is my punishment, I’m gonna murder a lot of billionaires.

Lols [they/them]Oct 1, 2023

im putting 10 bucks on that not actually being the universal experience, especially to a different town

tsonfeir Oct 1, 2023

How would moving to another place be a big deal? I mean, if they get away from a mob of angry people… I think they should cut off his foot tbh. 🤷‍♂️ he knew what he was doing.

Lols [they/them]Oct 1, 2023

yall have severe mental issues, and likely worse than whatever this kids got

tsonfeir Oct 1, 2023

Me: don’t be a shitty person.

You: you crazy, let them do whatever they want

Your amateur medial diagnosis holds no weight.

Lols [they/them]Oct 1, 2023

i actually didnt say we should let them do whatever they want

what im actually saying is that calling for dismembering children is dangerously unhinged, and that you are a freak

tsonfeir Oct 2, 2023

If crimes had consequences, less people would commit crimes.

Lols [they/them]Oct 3, 2023

it seems like you missed this part of my comment:

i actually didnt say we should let them do whatever they want

easy mistake to make, its only the first half of said comment

might want to bring that up with the psychiatrist while youre there for the whole ‘i want to dismember children’ thing

tsonfeir Oct 3, 2023

I enjoy how much effort you’re putting into insulting me. I think it’s doing the opposite of what you want it to do. I’m cracking up.

So then, what do you think his punishment should be? Since this thread leads back to me saying moving isn’t a big deal, and you got triggered, you must think the punishment should be lower. Enlighten me.

Lols [they/them]Oct 5, 2023

i didnt figure appealing to basic decency would do what i want it to do

and you got triggered

and suddenly everything makes sense

tsonfeir Oct 5, 2023

Lols

Illuminostro Sep 30, 2023

Sadly, some people never learn. I know a 53 year old man who never made it past 15, emotionally. He thinks cruelty is funny, and constantly tries to provoke everyone around him for attention. It’s extremely annoying.

sock Oct 1, 2023

i was that teenager and in hindsight i was an asshole but i think it helped me grow out of being an asshole faster because i became so self aware of my insecure and defensive tendencies

RULE MANY DONT UNDERSTAND, one thing being bad/good does not abstain another thing from being bad/good

everything is made for someone and if you dont enjoy it someone else does.

except linux users can suck a dick

NounsAndWords Sep 29, 2023

Teenage angst and contrarianism is it’s own form of (backwards) logic.

madcaesar Sep 29, 2023

Insane question, could the tree be saved by splicing it back into the trunk? Like you can do with small trees?

Flying Squid Sep 29, 2023

Maybe replacing it from a cutting would be easier?

NounsAndWords Sep 29, 2023

Maybe easier, but much more time consuming (300 years give or take)

Flying Squid Sep 29, 2023

I am guessing that the most cost-effective option is just replacing the tree, which is probably what they will most likely do. But I hope they take another tack and find a way to restore it.

gravitas_deficiency Sep 29, 2023

Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s an easy proposition - or perhaps even possible - to do with a fuck-off huge 300-year-old tree.

ViewSonik Sep 29, 2023

It can be done but you must use the blood of the 16 year old as the first watering

Aniki 🌱🌿Sep 29, 2023

It’s really dependent on the type of plant it is. I know certain stuff like citrus and avocado can graft quite easily and is essential in producing edible fruit. No idea about this tree, though.

hedgehogging_the_bed Sep 29, 2023

If they had found it right after it had been felled, they might have had a slight chance if they already had a crane nearby and ready and a firehouse.

Trees are basically a huge ring of tubes to carry water/sap/ tree blood, a thin layer of living wood between the bark and the dead wood inside from earlier growth. The tree relies on those tubes always being full of water because it doesn’t have any way to push the sap around actively. The water evaporates from the leaves, buds, any part of the tree not covered by bark, and this pulls water from the bottom of the tree up to replace it. (Technically the water moves up due to capillary action of the close molecular interactions of the H2O and the tiny size of the tubes so it doesn’t need a lot of “pull”)

But if these tubes get cut, an air bubble gets in and that flow is interrupted. It’s difficult or impossible for a plant to recover flow in that tube. If the cut is kept wet, it can keep air from blocking the tube, which is wide you are advised to trim flower stems under running water and never let them dry out if you are keeping flowers in a vase.

If a tree loses most of all of these tubes to air bubbles, it can’t really recover. This is why “ringing” a tree kills it and also why there is a strict limit on the number of times you can tap a Maple Tree for syrup.

appel Sep 29, 2023

Not OP, but thanks for taking the time to thoroughly answer a question I had as well.

madcaesar Sep 30, 2023

Awesome answer, thanks!

SpaceBar Sep 29, 2023

No. Not even remotely possible for a tree that age and size. Even as an experiment with planning ahead, it would fail.

Vodik_VDK Sep 29, 2023

I dislike you 16-year old boy, Sycamore Gap Feller.

I dislike you as I dislike Brock Turner, Convicted Rapist.

DessertStorms Sep 29, 2023

What a bizarre and completely unnecessary comparison to make..
(to be clear - cutting down a tree, however pointless and destructive, is in absolutely no way shape or form comparable to raping women)

Dojan Sep 29, 2023

You can still dislike someone for doing something heinous, even though the crime isn’t comparable.

Wanton destruction of a living being of historical and cultural significance isn’t any more or less acceptable than violating someone’s agency and personhood, marring them for life.

atomicorange Sep 29, 2023

More. The answer is that killing a tree is more acceptable than rape. What’s wrong with you?

Dojan Sep 29, 2023

They didn’t say that.

TheTetrapod Sep 29, 2023

They quite literally did.

atomicorange Sep 29, 2023

There must be a miscommunication somewhere. It looked like you were saying one wasn’t more acceptable than the other, but I’ll take you at your word that you didn’t mean that. Because that would be an insane thing to say, yet I’m getting downvoted for pointing it out.

bstix Sep 29, 2023

Well, if we are going to compare… which would be worse: raping a tree or killing a 300 y/o old woman?

sailingbythelee Sep 29, 2023

Funniest thing I’ve read today. Well done.

atomicorange Sep 29, 2023

The splinters would be punishment enough. And that lady’s probably a vampire.

threadloose Sep 30, 2023

Hey, so, lots of rape survivors have asked people to stop framing rape as something that mars a person for life, because it’s basically a rephrasing of the outdated idea of a “ruined woman”. You can’t ruin a person. A lot of people really struggle with the idea that they’re dirty forever, and hearing that said by allies constantly doesn’t help their recovery. You can still recognize the harm that rape does without reinforcing outdated concepts of purity, where before they were pure and unmarked and after they’re “marred for life” with no recovery.

Dojan Sep 30, 2023

You’re speaking to one. I thank you not to put words in my mouth.

threadloose Sep 30, 2023

Wow, I’ve been sexually assaulted too. Guess we’re at a detente.

theluckyone Sep 29, 2023

Both crimes involve permanent harm that cannot be repaired.

Just because you can’t connect the two crimes in your head, doesn’t mean someone else can’t. Get out of your own head.

REdOG Sep 29, 2023

Sure, but he’s not wrong. It’s still bizarre and unnecessary. There’s no need to generalize every freaking situation. It eventually waters down language IMO.

theluckyone Sep 29, 2023

Nataratata Sep 30, 2023

But in one case the victim is a person with feeling and in the other case it’s a tree. I find it quite concerning that people seem to struggle to see the difference.

theluckyone Sep 30, 2023

I find it concerning that you can’t see the similarities between a crime that involves a person with feelings, and a crime that involves an entire community with feelings.

iheartneopets Sep 30, 2023

It shows your complete lack of knowledge of biology to assert that trees don’t have “feelings”. They may not experience them as we do, but there is way more research to be done before that can be definitively stated. With as much as we’ve learned about fungi associated with tree roots that help them communicate, as well as chemicals they release when damaged to warn other trees, I think it is safe to say that trees and other plants do indeed experience distress.

Rape is a crime in which one person acts heinously out of a desire for control over another person/creature, causing irreparable harm. There are various kinds of rape as well. Do you know, that in history, when one city was invaded by an army, that would be referred to as a rape of that city?

So yes, I think there is plenty of logic to hate both of those youths equally. Both committed atrocities against innocent parties that have resulted in extreme harm.

klemptor Sep 29, 2023

You mean Convicted Rapist Brock Turner, now going by the name of Convicted Rapist Allen Turner, who was sentenced to six months but only served three for what his father called (and I quote) “twenty minutes of action”? That Convicted Rapist Brock Allen Turner?