it’s strange how ‘doubling child poverty’ is never on those big lists that redditors post whenever someone asks what joe biden’s done

Wow…your comment is so dumb I was literally left speeches for a while

Because of it’s truth?

Most definetly not lol. Because 1. You completely ignored the article and its main point 2. You showed how little you followed/understood of what happened in US politics for the past 3 years and 3. You keep doubling down in your own ignorance, like a proper fool is has no idea of what is going on and yet is dead convinced of his own…let’s call it “reasons”

Did Biden fight tooth and nail to push through his agenda? Nope.

So it’s completely reasonable to say that Biden allowed childhood poverty to double under his watch.

See my points above lol they seem to fit you as well.

With the “majority” down to literally 2 people, enlighten me and everyone else: how should have things gone according to you? How would YOU have fought tooth and nail while not risking to lose any practical way to govern? I’ll wait

make those 2 people vote the way you want?

LMAO How?? You force them with a gun? Lol

Actually political parties can and should enforce political discipline on their members, and there should be reprisals for going against the party and its leadership.

But the reality is, letting Manchin trash this legislation is probably more the plan than an opposition to it

Ffs…HOW do you enforce discipline?? All these people replying to me say the same thing, but you all fail to give examples.

What, you’re going to torture him? Slap him? You think that will change his mind? Biden has nothing against him. If he tries anything, Manchin can simply become a Republican or independent and run on how he “blocked Bowen’s agenda” and lose the Democrats a seat

If they can’t control him then they’ve already functionally lost a seat (unless of course, they actually like having him block legislation they don’t actually want to pass)

Parties exert control on their members in this country, they always have, and generally not through violence or torture. Usually its through taking away party support from them and their personal agenda. It could be attacking political pork to West Virginia, close military or other government facilities there, and support challengers/kick him out of the party so he can’t run on their ticket. It could possibly include more strong-arm tactics, not violence, not even anything necessarily illegal, that’s speculative but possible.

What you’re asking people to explain, is something that is the norm. You’re the one actually making an outrageous claim of how do we expect a political party to control and discipline its members. And pretending that the Democratic Party or the President just have no power in this situation is ludicrous

If they can’t control him then they’ve already functionally lost a seat (unless of course, they actually like having him block legislation they don’t actually want to pass)

Except he still votes for federal judges and for the infrastructure bill. So the seat is definetly not being used how we’d like, but it’s not lost or we wouldn’t even have those.

Parties exert control on their members in this country, they always have, and generally not through violence or torture. Usually its through taking away party support from them and their personal agenda. It could be attacking political pork to West Virginia, close military or other government facilities there, and support challengers/kick him out of the party so he can’t run on their ticket. It could possibly include more strong-arm tactics, not violence, not even anything necessarily illegal, that’s speculative but possible.

Fair enough! You’re literally the first and only person who gave me a detailed and actual example of what could be done. My only comment is that sadly Manchin knows the amount of leverage he has, so until he’s not needed, he can always just block anything ever further. I hate too that we have a democracy that can be taken over by two greedy assholes and that places so much importance on judges, but until something is done to change that, we can only plan accordingly.

What you’re asking people to explain, is something that is the norm. You’re the one actually making an outrageous claim of how do we expect a political party to control and discipline its members? And pretending that the Democratic Party or the President just have no power in this situation is ludicrous

If you read through the replies I’ve received, you’ll quickly realize it’s not that outrageous since most were just saying “you use violence” and failed to give answers. Please, don’t put words I didn’t say in my mouth. I’ve never said the president or the party have no power. The do have it. But it’s undeniable that Manchin (and Sinema) for some twisted, sick fate they have it too. And at the moment we have a slighty centre, centre right president who’s not willing to go above and beyond to push back because he prefers getting by with what he has. Do I like it? Fuck. No. Do I see any other alternative in the current political climate until next elections? Sadly no.