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Mozilla's new report on the data privacy of modern cars is nightmare fuel. Enshittification has definitely hit the car industry: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/
*Privacy Not Included: A Buyer’s Guide for Connected Products

All 25 car brands we researched earned our *Privacy Not Included warning label – making cars the worst category of products that we have ever reviewed

Mozilla Foundation
Sep 6, 2023 at 5:11amWeb
Show threadDoc Edward Morbius ⭕​Sep 6, 2023

@evacide Freddie was right:

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xt0V0_1MS0Q

Show threadklausfiend has movedSep 6, 2023
@evacide Yikes.
Show threadn3wjackSep 6, 2023
@evacide any idea how those brands handle this in the EU?
Show threadJonSep 6, 2023
@n3wjack @evacide Two of the reviewed brands are EU only. Significantly different results due to EU privacy laws.
Show threadn3wjackSep 6, 2023
@jonpainterphoto @evacide I read that too. It would be interesting to know how e.g. Tesla handles the EU differently. I bet they have to, due to GDPR.
Show threadTheodrakeSep 8, 2023
@n3wjack I wouldn't be surprised if they just lie.
Show threadAmir Livne Bar-onSep 6, 2023
@evacide this is super worrisome. I wonder if it's possible to make changes to the agreement on an individual basis, e.g. to ask for terms preventing the car company from selling pictures of children
Show threadClemSep 6, 2023
@evacide If I don't live in the U.S. I would not have a car.
Show threadsamuelSep 6, 2023
@evacide Without any surprise Tesla is #1 in collecting data and selling them to third party.
Show threadWortex17Sep 6, 2023
@evacide
Oh yeah, car features, where you pay for the privilege to be spied on (more)
*sigh i knew but i hoped better
Show threadMagnus AhltorpSep 6, 2023

@evacide “It has the potential to cause real harm”.

You know what else has the potential to cause real harm?

Driving a car.

Show threadJos noemt het gewoon melkSep 6, 2023
@evacide
My tesla: Wanna tell me who that was? Don't bother, I know, she has an X account. You may want one as well.
Me: no thanks, just got rid of it
My tesla: sure? I took pictures
Me: dude!
My tesla: the both you have a lot of contacts, wow! So.. Shall I create that X account for you now? X Blue, right?
Show threadJL Johnson Sep 6, 2023
@goleztrol @evacide 😮
Show threadNoir LoverSep 6, 2023
@evacide Unfortunately most people won't care. How many people have an Alexa in their home recording everything they say in exchange for the most minor convenience?
Show threadPat MadiganSep 6, 2023
@evacide That horrific bit towards the end, where Tesla says you can stop data collection, but your car will blow up - that’s very on brand for Tesla and Elon Musk.
Show threadtriswebSep 6, 2023
@evacide Further evidence that a brand new electric car brand that focuses on simple, functional features and lots of buttons and knobs, with no extraneous data collection and enshittification, would sell like hotcakes.
Show threadmayaSep 6, 2023
@evacide is there any information on what year these things, or at least the more heinous aspects, were implemented? I figure anything with an XM radio and beyond..? Unsure.
Show threadJL Johnson Sep 6, 2023
@evacide @vmstan Sure am glad my car is old enough that it isn't all tech'd up. YIKES at this.
Show threadJL Johnson Sep 6, 2023
@evacide ALSO: I believe this is why GM is breaking up with Apple's Car Play in new models. They'd prefer that you use their built-in stuff, easier to scoop up data. I know a lot of folks are PISSED the new Blazer won't have car play.
Show threadTeixiSep 6, 2023

@evacide

there was this recent report from @josephcox yet seems crazy that only requires vin to lookup?!
also only for US data?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7enex/tool-shows-if-car-selling-data-privacy4cars-vehicle-privacy-report

New Tool Shows if Your Car Might Be Tracking You, Selling Your Data

The free tool from Privacy4Cars provides some insight on whether your vehicle is collecting and sharing location and other types of data.

Show threadIslandUsurper Sep 6, 2023
@evacide my biggest question is “how do they even collect genetic information?” That sounds like Gattaca-level technology, but it’s probably something else in reality.
Show threadevacideSep 6, 2023
@IslandUsurper I'm guessing that they buy it from data brokers.
Show threadJenniferSep 6, 2023
@evacide this is why I'm glad I still have an old vehicle without all that crap!
Show threadMOVINGSep 7, 2023
@evacide No shocker that Tesla ends up ranking the worst out of all them tbh.
Show threadMateu le grille-pain ricainSep 7, 2023
@evacide >tfw when no electric dumb cars with stickshift
Show threadMOVINGSep 7, 2023
@mateu_protogen2K @evacide The AI chatbot aspect being in Tesla really creeped me out when I learned that in this article. Privacy seems to be an illusion, no matter the leader of the big tech company. And I really wish the US had something akin to the EU's GDPR right about now. 
Show threadMy camera shoots fascistsSep 7, 2023

@evacide

I ran into an acquaintance a few days ago. She pointed to her new SpyMobile and excitedly told me she could completely control it with her phone. I realize in retrospect that I was supposed to say "wow, cool, congratulations on your new car. I'm glad you're happy with it." Instead, in my typical fashion, I gave her the Edvard Munch scream face and mentioned what a privacy nightmare that thing was, thinking all the time about how the row of cameras around the outside of it was probably watching us and listening to us.

She didn't mind. She thought it was so cool. 🤷‍♂️
The 2014 vehicle I now drive will probably be the last one I ever own until we are allowed to disable the spy features on new cars or some hackers can teach us how to do it illegally.

Show threadNazaniSep 7, 2023
@evacide Well, I hope they're learning something from NPR, which is about all they'll ever hear in my car, unless I'm baby-talking to a cat on a vet visit..
Show threadSyulangSep 8, 2023

@evacide

Toyota 70-series it is then.

Show threadOGJester has movedSep 9, 2023

@evacide “Nissan earned its second-to-last spot for collecting some of the creepiest categories of data we have ever seen. It’s worth reading the review in full, but you should know it includes your “sexual activity.” Not to be out done, Kia also mentions they can collect information about your “sex life” in their privacy policy”

JFC.

Show threadJohnWSep 21, 2023
@evacide Buying older used cars has never been more appealing.