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Helen Graham@juglugs The full Burkha needs banning too in all countries that value human rights its got nothing to do with racism or anti islamic feeling ,unlike the Hijab (which obviously shouldnt be banned ),its not an essential part of islam in fact many muslims strongly oppose its use ,its not a consistent part of any ethnic groups culture .Its purely a means of subjugating and isolating women ,I have lived in areas where the Burkha was worn ,people who support its use are doing women no favours
S Bodzin, Real American 🇺🇸@Helengraham @juglugs how about instead of banning anything you let everyone dress how the heck they want
If the issue is that some people are forced into certain clothes by family, please offer everyone safe places to escape their family. When you try to ban things -- burka, hijab, niqab, yarmulke, turban, heels, skirts, trousers, whatever -- you are revealing your inner control freak, and not helping anyone.
@stevenbodzin @juglugs Because the burkha is something most of its wearers dont want or choose and because it is extremely isolating .Often the women forced to wear the burkha are imported brides from arranged marriages ,who speak no English ,have no contacts in the uk outside their husbands families and live in fear of beatings.It cant bve compared to the Hijab,theres no religious justification for it,many muslims have made clear its unacceptable.Its as unacceptable as wearing Nazi insignia
Kagan MacTane (he/him)@Helengraham "Wearing Nazi insignia" is a poor comparison when the burkha is something that (in your example) is being forced on victims. A better comparison, then, would be the yellow Stars of David the Nazis forced Jews to wear.
The solution in that case was not to ban the wearing of the Star of David. It was to get rid of the Nazis. Especially since some Jews might *want* to wear it (albeit in other ways and circumstances).
Alon@kagan @Helengraham @stevenbodzin @juglugs None of the European butthurt over how immigrants dress is about actual burqas. It's about hijabs and niqabs; burqas are pretty unique to a part of the world that has little diaspora in the West and that diaspora is mostly refugees from the Taliban. Talking about burqas in this context is like insisting that you don't hate Jews, you just hate the Jewish Defense League, and then demanding a ban on yarmulkes.
Jonathan HendryIf someone voluntarily wants to wear a burkha, despite being free to *not* wear a burkha, I don't see how it's any of your business to tell them not to.
Elena ``of Valhalla''@Helengraham @juglugs making the burka mandatory is a form of oppression of women. banning the burka is also a form of oppression of women (usually who are also part of an unprivileged minority), by making it harder for them to deal with pressure from their family and interact with a more permissive society.
The only non-oppressive option is to avoid regulating the way people dress (other than for basic safety and hygienic requirements).