JonathanDenial in a crisis. 🧵
It's a maladaptive response trying to reimpose order on a world that to the person has lost sense.
I keep saying we need psychologists to weigh in.
[originally posted Aug 2021 on moron's site]
This is why you see it out of people who are ... odd.
And their followers as well. You will see the followers ssying thank you for the good news.
They are not looking for accurate facts.
They are looking to be soothed.
For any raft they can find in this storm.
I rather suspect the GIVER of "good" (fake) news feels good about giving it and reassuring the RECIPIENT.
And lo and behold we see that happen.
The two adults have self-soothed.
This is why my opposition to idiots in public health "soothing" the public. It is a myth that the public panics. These are just weak people in charge.
Took me 10 s to find a Foreign Policy piece referring to this _disaster sci expert_ saying it's a myth.
And here is the Foreign Policy piece itself.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/16/trump-woodward-elite-panic-coronavirus-pandemic/
But just to close out, I cannot see that infectious disease doctors (for ex) take a single disaster management course in their training.
Further, public health requires (in Ontario) one year of ID, and to be a doctor.
As I said from the start, these people are not trained for this.
Which is why, and this is just my opinion, we might see so much "be kind" messaging out of them.
It might be as much about being kind to THEM (i.e. not criticizing) as to each other. (Or it's straight career PR. Some are very good at that.)
To be frank, considering what people are going through, most people have continued to be pretty kind to each other
Why did countries in Asia do better than we did? No, IMO, it was not simply they threw on a surgical mask.
They have effective DISASTER RESPONSE systems.
Again, one minute of searching found this Korean article. Korea dealt with MERS.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7123823/
"The recent major disasters in Korea ... taught Korea important lessons that cooperation among all relevant organizations, ...is essential for effective disaster response ...and [government] should execute a joint field training program"
And in 15 more seconds, I found this Japanese article discussing mental health consults in times of crisis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084937/
Within WEEKS the consults are down to a low level.
Acute Mental Health Needs Duration during Major Disasters: A Phenomenological Experience of Disaster Psychiatric Assistance Teams (DPATs) in Japan
Background: How long acute mental health needs continue after the disaster are problems which must be addressed in the treatment of victims. The aim of this study is to determine victims’ needs by examining activity data from Disaster Psychiatric ...
Not zero. We shouldn't expect them to be zero.
But the myth that people panic and the world goes to pieces is exactly that:
a myth.
Reminder to follow the disaster science expert, above!
(Sure, I may read up before I open my mouth, but I am no expert.)
P.S. This is why people stating risks get called "fear mongerers"
It's a tactic to try to stop messaging that contradicts the worldview of the person trying to self-soothe.
Same with anti-mask sentiment.
Mask is necessarily a signal of risk. Incompatible with "no big deal", the fantasy they desperately want to believe in.
(It should go without saying, but I'd better say it: yes, there are of course people who stoke fear for personal gain, and this is not what I am referring to here.)
For reference, to leave here, an example summary of what infectious diseases is, from one school of this field.
I don't know why I didn't think to search Wikipedia until now but there we go.
Article about how CDC had a messaging plan and it went out the window during this pandemic.
Link to PDF about disaster myth. Hosted at CDC, ha.
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/emergency_response/common_misconceptions.pdf
Department of Homeland Security has a link to 2002 guidelines for communication in a crisis.
CDC emergency manuals etc.
Short article about panic myth
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1525/ctx.2002.1.3.21
In Disasters, Panic Is Rare; Altruism Dominates
Group panic and irrational behavior did not occur at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. Instead the event created a sense of "we-ness" among those threatened, says Rutgers University sociology professor Lee Clarke. In his article, "Panic: Myth or Reality?", in the fall 2002 edition of Contexts magazine, he explains that 50 years of evidence on disasters and extreme situations shows that panic is rare, even when people feel "excessive fear."
Here are the two streams of response:
1. Denial, which avoids the cognitive dissonance and worry about death by simply suggesting to ones' self the danger does not exist. We see this in animal accounts on the bird site.
2. Actually changing behaviour to reduce risk.
The contagion of mortality: A terror management health model for pandemics
The novel coronavirus, COVID‐19, proliferates as a contagious psychological threat just like the physical disease itself. Due to the growing death toll and constant coverage this pandemic gets, it is likely to activate mortality awareness, to ...
Also, denial does not flow from ignorance.
It is a desire to reject beliefs that do not accord with our existing knowledge or beliefs.
Coronavirus responses highlight how humans are hardwired to dismiss facts that don’t fit their worldview
"It is Fauci’s profession of amazement that amazes me. As well-versed as he is in the science of the coronavirus, he’s overlooking the well-established science of 'anti-science bias,' or science denial."
Origins? We used to hang out and caveman & chill in small groups.
Things that didn't fit, got thrown out.
Including Bob, if he suggested we sleep by the lake and not in the cave everyone else wanted to sleep in.
And another about panic myth
The frozen calm of normalcy bias
When disaster strikes, some people lose their heads, some people become cool and effective, but by far most people act as if they've suddenly forgotten the disaster. They behave in surprisingly mundane ways, right up until it's too late. Around the world, researchers are wondering how to combat normalcy bias.
You may revisit all the lies as institutional failure, in not being trained to respond to a crisis, and attempting to sooth a supposedly panicked public.
It's rather hilarious when you look back on it.
Except for the dead and disabled people.
Then it is not so hilarious.
Consider whether when you read articles about other well-known viruses they smack of desperation and denial.
Denial is a helluva drug.
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Ah we do everything again, and again, and again.
This from 1948.
"It's not as bad as whooping cough, stop freaking out"
Worry about a risk is normal .
Panic myth is a myth.
Humans repeat the same things again and again.
No, we cannot stop without training.
(And there may be some things like optimism bias/denial we can never quite get over.)
This thread was about psychology.
However, I leave to you as homework to determine:
1. rate of polio, and outcomes;
2. compare/contrast with that of COVID-19.
Are they similar? Dissimilar?
Do we know enough about COVID-19?
Its long-term/developmental issues?
When will we see these things?
As for "again and again" here is a search with the many refs to items that we keep "rediscovering"
https://nitter.net/search?q=again%20and%20again%20from%3A%40jmcrookston&src=typed_query
Repeating mistakes.
Like #COVIDisAirborne.
Well, #MeaslesisAirborne too.
But people forget, measles was droplet first.
The case studies proved it was airborne. Took about 1912->1980 or so.
Maybe history _does_ have something to teach us. 😉
Book about elite panic.
Video about the topic.
Who We Really Are... When Everything Goes Wrong
Black plague stories.
[Ed. Because that's what we all want during COVID!]
Elites fled in panic.
Commoners just calmly dug their own graves.
Jeff Samsonow
PNW Deb@jmcrookston I have an aunt who died of polio at age 5 and one who was crippled all her life from age 7. Tell me how it isn’t dangerous. Vaccines save lives.
Justin Derrick@jmcrookston What’s funny/depressing/tragic about this thread is that WW2 history is taught in high school. The causes leading up to it, what to watch for, how it happened, what it led to, the cost in human lives, the legacy.
I don’t remember there being any mention of polio in high school - I was in one of the first cohorts that didn’t need the polio vaccine.
But somehow, people recognize NEITHER threats (fascism/plague) despite one of them being taught for a month.
🎓 Doc Freemo 
🇳🇱@jmcrookston Does anyone know if this is factually true? It seems to be claiming in 1948 the claim was made polio was rare in winter and only common in summer... Is that true? I am having trouble finding seasonal numbers on this.
Ok did some checking, the post here actually is accurate and factual for its time.
Polio is a **highly** seasonal disease and, as the article suggests, it is not a significant issue in the winter and it is during the summer that parents (at the time) should worry, winters were fairly safe.
Source:
"Temporal pattern... Peaks in the summer in temperate climates"
Just to be clear, what I posted is a reproduction of an August 1, 1948 MacLean's article. So it was written at the time. (That doesn't necessarily make it right. I'm just making sure people know what it was that I posted)
@jmcrookston Sure, yes i assumed it was a reproduction of a real article.
Yeah, just looking at it now i thought it might have been a little confusing generally, because the font is modern.
I can't find the link now but MacLean's had reproduced it on their site somewhere. If I could find the link I'll edit it in so people can read the whole article.
@freemo I don't know off-hand but this article says summer was the dreaded season
https://www.elsevier.com/connect/remembering-the-dreaded-summers-of-polio
Yup, indeed, which means the polio post you provided from 1948 was actually factually accurate... As the article posted mothers shouldnt panic because Polio is a summer disease (the article has the date of Aug 1st, so once summer had ended)
Yes, I think they were definitely also making the point that very few children actually caught polio versus other things. It wasn't the only magazine article that said this. I think there were some in the '50s that did the same.
@jmcrookston Yes, during the **winter** very few people caught it, which was their point... they were **not** saying polio wasnt dangerous or worth worrying about in general. Only that mothers can calm down a bit in winter and need not panic during winter.
Could very well be. I think it says "it is then" or something like that.
My point is broader than that anyway. But you could certainly find the original article and see whether they're saying freak out in the summer and don't freak out in the fall.
FinchHaven sfbaI lived in Southern California/Los Angeles in the early 1950s
I was in the second grade when I was quarantined at home, no visitors, orange "Quarantined" sign on the door for one week, for each of chicken pox, measles and mumps
Three weeks, total
My parents had me vaccinated for each of those (and polio) as soon as the vaccines were available
Exactly how much time did I spend in an iron lung for each infection with chicken pox, measles and mumps?
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here in 2023 with all of this, except perhaps to be too cunning by half
cc @freemo
The thread is pretty self-explanatory, I thought.
🟥 Eveline Sulman 🇳🇱🇪🇺🇺🇦@jmcrookston don't panic! Your child will "only" be crippled, lame, or in a Iron long for the rest of their days... /s
Lorraine@jmcrookston
Off topic, yet on topic… there was a link in that article about the safety of #fluoride in drinking water.. Basically I’m a dumb dumb for not wanting it in my drinking water
Therein lays problem
Idk at end of the day in my odd way my method is somewhat scientific, yet I also rely on intuition, common sense & actual irl experience
People aren’t open to being wrong which I will happily admit to as embarrassing as it can be🤷🏻♀️
I’m all for fluoride in toothpaste tho😂