pamela_weaverTop tip for men who don't want to be accused of being creepy arounnd women: Don't be creepy around women.
Walter van Holst@pamela_weaver Which is a useless tip. Nobody wants to be creepy.
Claude@whvholst men totally understand what creepy means and why they are perceived as such by women. They just don't want to change their behavior nor respect women. @pamela_weaver
@switch @pamela_weaver No, there are plenty of shy, clumsy and/or neurodivergent men that are perceived as creepy. There are of course also cases that enjoy demeaning others, am willing to restate my remark as that most people don't want to be creepy. But do enjoy dehumanising everyone that doesn't conform to your expectations.
@whvholst I do not dehumanized anyone. You have a point about ND men. I'm pretty sure the original statement is not talking about them but about NT men unwilling to better themselves. But you can definitely derail the conversation. 🙃 @pamela_weaver
@switch @pamela_weaver Well, like a clumsy man intending the opposite of being creepy, making a sweeping statement about men being creepy by design is pre-derailing whatever the intention was by doing so.
@whvholst I know it's not your intention but you come off as willing to be unaccountable for your actions. I would like to ask you one question, genuinely. Why would you raise this concern of yours specifically in response to a toot about women feeling unsafe around men? Don't you think this legitimate concern warrants its own conversation without derailing the original one here? @pamela_weaver
@switch @pamela_weaver The toot specifically painted every man that has come across as creepy with the same brush of malicious intent. It is punching down to neurodiverse men as well as the merely clumsy and shy. Accountability from actions cannot be there if there is an a priori assumption of malice, which the original toot has. Legitimate concerns warrant legitimate and intellectually honest discourse. This is not how to start that.