@yogthos I know this for quite some time, since the PRC did hire and pay folks in HK to do so.

And they were in the midst of open-sourcing 90nm and working on 65nm in 2015.

AFAIK most of the key people fled to the EU when Beijing decided they wanted to violate the Joint Sino-British Declaration and cancel the few Freedoms Hongkong had before 2047.

@kkarhan HK was always going to be repatriated, framing getting sovereignty back from being a UK colony as violating freedoms is an interesting framing of that though.

Meanwhile, I'm sure China will have no problem producing domestic engineers going forward.

@yogthos OFC we all knew the situation won't last beyond 2047, thus it was unsustainable.

OFC #Thatcher didn't ask the people of #Hongkong.

Otherwise they may have requested #Independence instead...

@kkarhan the reality is that HK would be either in Chinese sphere of influence or the western one. There is no actual genuine independence on the table.

For example, do you think Taiwan has independence when US pours billions into manipulating media and buying politicians there?

@yogthos I'd say that #Taiwan is freer than #Hongkong ever has been, because at the current trajectory Hongkong will be turned into a place worse than East Turkestan or Tibet sooner than later, and make even pre-Democracy Taiwan look better...

Not that I'd excuse any of it.

And I don't think the KMT lossed the last election due to media manipulation but because they aligned with Beijing and rejected Taiwanese Independence, and that bit them in the rear at the ballout box.

@kkarhan you'll have to define what you mean by freedom here, I'm curious to know what types of freedoms you value. Last I checked people in Taiwan lack even basic freedoms such as guaranteed housing.

And you'd be wrong given that it's well documented that US is behind the sunflower movement, and there are direct ties between DPP politicians and US. If you think having US puppets run your government is what sovereignty looks like then don't know what else to say to you.