ticho

There is a bike path, but... 🤷

Two steps forward, one step back. :)

(image stolen from https://cyklokoalicia.sk/2023/01/bratislava-co-vzniklo-v-roku-2022/ )

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#Bratislava #Slovakia

Bratislava: čo vzniklo v roku 2022

Napriek pomerne veľkému počtu rozbehnutých projektov mesta na výstavbu kvalitných oddelených cyklotrás sa ani v roku 2022 nedostala žiadna z nich do realizačnej fázy. Najbližšie k realizácii sú zrejme cyklotrasy na Mlynských nivách, Hradskej či O4 v Petržalke. Samostatné cestičky V tejto kategórii "pribudla" len jedna trasa realizovaná mestom, aj to je len (takmer) kozmetická...

Cyklokoalícia
Aug 22, 2023 at 12:03pmWeb
Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023

@notjustbikes I figured I'd take a look at the place myself. After all, the article was from january...

Well... There's more trees. :)

Show threadLaPingvino 🟙 Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes to be fair I have seen similar situations in the Netherlands, for example in Veenendaal.
Show threadDarcy R 🇨🇦Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes There's plenty of space in your bike path for more poles and shrubs. Although, they need to be painted yellow for safety.
Show threadDarcy R 🇨🇦Aug 24, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes In case anyone wondered what the words on the left of my image were all about, the image was a still from a video I posted today. https://youtu.be/NEPTN2CtTs0
What does a "big week" look like on a cargo bike?

YouTube
Show threadCătă 🇷🇴🇺🇦🇲🇩🇪🇺Aug 22, 2023

@ticho Oh, there's actual space on the left, I see. It would still have been more convenient to put the bike lane on the left instead, I think 😁

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Show threadLJDAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes Depending on how busy that path is, the trees might be a good thing. They’re providing shade to folks and make the street feel narrower, which will slow down drivers. Removing a car lane for for more biking and walking space would be preferred of course.
Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023

@lordra @notjustbikes Theoretically a good point, but unfortunately the orientation is all wrong. The photo is taken more or less directly towards the west, and the sun goes in an arc to the left (south) during the day. So the only ones who get shade from those trees are the cars, waiting for green light on the large crossroad about 50m behind the camera. :)

I like your "assume good faith" attitude, though! 👍

Show threadLJDAug 23, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes haha not trying to assume good faith. Definitely a bad design. Just appreciating urban trees.
Show threadCaroline Bell Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes Great to see trees in the city. Hard to ignore the fact they don't have enough room to spread roots there though.
Show threadEllieAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes if the red asphalt was constant width and the trees were embedded in a swale this would be much nicer.
Show threadPatrickAug 23, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes Beautiful! I love the colour asphalt over thermoplastic. Also, it's probably better than have plastic bits deteriorating off and the higher upkeep of thermoplastic to keep it visible on the road.
Show threadPeter HanecakAug 22, 2023

@ticho
@notjustbikes Vramci hesla #GreatIdeaSlovakia navrhujem posunut strom o cca 2m do prava. Autam ostane z 2 pruhov jeden a teda to bude 1:1 voci cyklistom. A aj "zeleni" budu radi, ze strom ostane.

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Show thread🚲Aug 22, 2023

@ticho @notjustbikes One of my favourite bike things on the internet was the “Bicycle Facility of the Month”: http://wcc.crankfoot.xyz/facility-of-the-month/

It stopped being updated in 2019, but its generous archives are full of examples like this accompanied by dry, humourous captions.

Cycle Facility of the Month

Show threadCătă 🇷🇴🇺🇦🇲🇩🇪🇺Aug 22, 2023

@ticho ah, isn't it wonderful when local administrations use sidewalks as bike infrastructure creating unnecessary conflicts between cyclists and pedestrians that just want to get somewhere? All just so we don't upset His Majesty, the Motor Vehicle.

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Show threaddango🍡Aug 22, 2023
@petrescatraian @notjustbikes @ticho isn't there a pedestrian path on the left of the image? You can see someone walking there
Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023
@dango_ @petrescatraian @notjustbikes Yep, that it is.
Show threadCătă 🇷🇴🇺🇦🇲🇩🇪🇺Aug 22, 2023

@dango_ Yea, I can see that, but I see that it ends abruptly on the segment with the bike lane. Basically after the crossing, the bike lane starts.

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Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023
@petrescatraian @notjustbikes @dango_ The bike path actually continues further back in the photo, but is shared with pedestrians, and that section is further narrowed by a concrete fence on the left and parked cars on the right. Plus, the surface is all cracked uneven asphalt. I'm glad I have a mountain bike. :)
Show threadCătă 🇷🇴🇺🇦🇲🇩🇪🇺Aug 22, 2023

@ticho Guess it's still better than this:

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Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023

@petrescatraian @notjustbikes @dango_ *Screeeeeech* *Crash*.... And that, kids, is how I met your mother. :)

Truly horrible.

Show threadRevK Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes Imagine doing that with an actual road. Would anyone stand for it?
Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023
@revk @notjustbikes The thing is, I cannot even imagine *that* happening somewhere.
Show threadMans RAug 22, 2023
@ticho @revk @notjustbikes Near here, we have this: https://goo.gl/maps/rFL2eAJCv9JWWZTx9
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Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023
@mansr @revk @notjustbikes Oof, you never know whether or not there is a small child or a dog hiding behind that brick fence. Kind of reminds me of roads making an unnatural arc around a church in old villages here in Europe, but more dangerous. :)
Show threadMans RAug 22, 2023
@ticho @revk @notjustbikes The fence is continuous and tall enough that nobody would be suddenly leaping over it. Also, that's just the footpath. There's little traffic on the road, so cyclists are better off there.
Show threadRoger MooreAug 22, 2023
@revk @ticho @notjustbikes
This is one of my personal ideas about bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure: it needs to be treated as a first class means of transportation rather than an afterthought. If you wouldn't do it to a road for cars, don't do it with a road for bicycles or people. This kind of monstrosity shows how much designers have internalized the idea that transportation other than cars is second class.
Show threadRoger MooreAug 22, 2023
@revk @ticho @notjustbikes
A glaring example of this kind of thinking from my neck of the woods:
Show threadDaniel BohrerAug 22, 2023
@VATVSLPR @revk @ticho @notjustbikes
🚲 share the road
🚗 do what they want
Show threadRevK Aug 22, 2023
@VATVSLPR @ticho @notjustbikes I would have so moved that sign 1m to the left if I had encountered it.
Show threadRoger MooreAug 22, 2023
@revk @ticho @notjustbikes
It does require a tiny bit of context. There was some construction work ahead that blocked the bicycle lane, so there did need to be some warning. Putting it where they did just shows they aren't really thinking about bicycles as cars' equals.
Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023
@VATVSLPR @revk @notjustbikes Wow, that is hilarious (not in a good way), thanks!
Show threadDave Smith has movedAug 22, 2023
@revk @ticho @notjustbikes There are streets like this in my home town of Harpenden, but it does seem more 'accidental' https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8173979,-0.3623095,3a,75y,153.71h,88.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syPSQRa6i8XNEC2ZJHtnofg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
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Show threadNick SchiwyAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes I just -
Show threadSerge 🔻Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes at least it has the correct color. Maybe they should have read the manual a bit more carefully.
Show threadKytkosaurusAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes Of course I get, why it looks hilarious to you. But if it moved to Prague, it woud be marked improvement over what the city is doing here... )-:
Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023

@kytkosaurus @notjustbikes I mean, sure, it's better than no bike path at all, but c'mon! :)

Here's to hoping that Prague has a bicycle awakening soon too. Here in Bratislava, there are several bike path projects happening or in planning, how about there? Any websites for cyclists in Prague which inform about that? I'm curious.

Show threadKytkosaurusAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes The situation here is best illustrated by Bubenské nábřeží - recent complete or almost complete reconstruction of 20 metre+ wide street. The main posted cycling route "A1" goes through there. And the solution for people on bikes? Some narrow paint-only lanes right next to tram tracks, next to narrow lanes for cars (wider cars reach into these cycle lanes). And a legalised wide pavement, with classic Prague paving stones... And our "most progressive" politicians and 1/2
Show threadKytkosaurusAug 22, 2023

@ticho @notjustbikes 2/2 Institute for "planning and development" call this a good compromise and maximum possible and try to pass it as improvement instead of the disaster it really is. Here is an article about it in English https://mestemnakole.cz/2023/07/bubenske-nabrezi-has-a-new-look-but-will-you-ride-on-the-sidewalk-or-in-the-cycle-lane/

mestemnakole.cz is the website you asked for I think. Covers whole CZE, but Prague coverage is there of course too. And they even have a (quite hidden) English version of many of the articles.

Bubenské nábřeží has a new look: you can choose to ride on the sidewalk or in the cycle lane - Městem na kole

Městem na kole
Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023
@kytkosaurus Diky, pridane do RSS citacky. :)
Show threadbeckobertAug 22, 2023
@kytkosaurus @ticho @notjustbikes
So true.😢 If this was a photo of Prague, this wouldn't a tree, but a parking spot. Or, even more likely, a car parking there with its hazard lights blinking despite there not being a parting spot.
Show threadBigbeeAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes Physics tells us that those trees are 99.99% empty space, so it seems like we're all worried about essentially nothing.
Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023
@bigbee @notjustbikes Yeah, cyclists should be happy that they have access to the freshest oxygen from that tree. :)
Show threadShyra “Tech” Ambrosia Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes everyone knows from videogames that pedestrians and cyclists pass right through trees. It’s fine 
Show threadDale SteeleAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes "Clever" strategy but they used the wrong lane...
Show threadWeird 2 - Electric BoogalooAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes this is tame compared to what I had to experience yesterday. 😅
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Attached: 2 images Did a bike tour with a friend today and we stumbled over basically germany's worst implementation of a bike lane on the "Kosterbrücke" between Hattingen und Bochum. The lane on the street ramp we used towards it already was incredibly careless (unprotected lane, that basically was a bumper zone for trucks) but the real deal felt like biking illegally on the shoulder of a friggin' highway. What are your worst ones? #WorstBikeLaneContest

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Show threadtrinity-1686aAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes "we heard you liked bike paths and trees, so we made a bike path with built-in trees. Hope you like it"
Show threadFrank Hightower 🐁Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes ignore the striping and you'll be fine
Show threadQuixoticgeekAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes Ah, the Knuffelbom! Rare, but I found one of these on a fietspad in Njimegen once...
Show threadSamAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes at least the trees stop cars from parking on the bicycle lane
Show threadtichoAug 22, 2023
@cloudedjudge @notjustbikes There's silver lining in everything, eh? :)
Show threadSamAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes sure, all us bike riders who live outside of the Netherlands have to take advantage of what we can get, see the positive in things, otherwise we're never riding again :)
Show threadCyclesBecauseSummerIsComing😀Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes better than the 🚲paths in Tirana: those are ubiquitous, but narrow and have the trees in the middle. So, for Balkan standards this is not too bad. Even in #germany this would be a normal 🚲path
Show threadMarkOnABikeAug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes surely it's two steps forward and one to the side
Show threadeyrea 🇨🇦Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes These are always so... I mean, did no-one go, "hey wait, people are actually going to use this bike lane". Because apparently not.
Show threadTwobiscuits🚴‍♂️ Aug 22, 2023
@ticho @notjustbikes first there was EU money for building bike paths. Then there was EU money for planting trees!