Mog SpawnWhich way looks more comfortable as you wait for your coffee?
superkretI feel like 40% of Americans would say pic number one.
Reality is often disappointing
I'm a fierce opponent of cars in inner cities and I want a revolution in individual transportation that makes us mostly move away from cars (and make cars much smaller for those who are reliant on it).
However I love driving although I hope I'll never need a car ever again for climates sake. I'd definitely rather sit in my own isolated space.
However I love driving although I hope I'll never need a car ever again for climates sake. I'd definitely rather sit in my own isolated space.
Some cars have by far the most comfortable seats I’ve ever sat in. Nissan in particular has some amazing seats. Far better than anything Herman Miller has ever put out. There’s a reason some dedicated people out there take seats out of cars and mount them on the rolly things.
That said I’m not going to idle my car for more than 5 minutes for just about anything. The people who wait 30 minutes in a drive thru line are insane.
Semi-Hemi-DemigodI'm socially anxious and don't really like crowds so sitting in my car is preferable. But I'd park and walk in rather than wait in a line like that.
Really I work from home and get my own coffee every day without needing pants, which is infinitely preferable to both.
I hope it’s higher than that. I don’t want to hike 3 miles to sit on a crowded sidewalk with randos under someone’s house to wait 20 minutes for 2 oz of espresso probably in a cloud of cigarette smoke.
I like a cafe, but it’s going to be way out of the way and no one waiting but me.
You guys only have a cafe every 3 miles?
Lol, we have some every couple of 100 meters. In my small neighborhood town, I know of at least 7.
It’s 43°C out, so yes, but I would rather climate refugee my way into a nice place like the bottom picture because with the way things are going, soon 50°C is going to be the new norm out here (especially if we keep building photo one infrastructure) and 43° is already too hot. We also have lines like this for fried chicken. SNL even did a parody auto dealer commercial where the dealership is blocked off by the traffic in line for chicken.
King Brothers Toyota - SNL
cerementin the US, there’s another side that makes it even more frustrating – not only is turning every square foot into road or parking being actively rewarded – but any attempt in the other direction is actively punished – reams of legislation against medium density housing, open patio seating, mixed use zoning, walkable cities, bike-friendly roads, …
Uranium3006imagine what would happen if federal dollars could only be spent on upkeep of existing highways and not to build more or expand highways, and the excess money was put into rail transit construction and protected bike lanes
Dr. WeskerThe people lining up, instead of parking and taking 5 mins to go inside, are terminally stupid. I encountered this the other day, and I was out the door with my coffee before the line had even moved.
It’s a catch-22 though. Like, if I get out of my car for 5 minutes with it off then it just heats up to 1000 degrees. I get that the idea of quickly going in and walking out is nice, and I would honestly prefer to not have it at all (yay for just making coffee at home). However for us in incredibly hot climates it isn’t something I ever try to do. It’s 107 out today, 5 minutes with my car off turns it into like 135 on the inside. Of course all of this just adds more to emissions. Which is all of the problem….
Electric cars, if you’re going to have a car, do help with this. You just leave the air conditioning on.
Ah yes, my partner and I with our combined 40k income should forsake a quick coffee now and then until we can spend at minimum half a year’s salary on an electric that we have no means to charge except at a target 15 minutes away.
I 1000% agree that waiting in a line like this while idling is insane, but instead of shifting responsability to people who can barely afford to survive, how about we shift that attention into laws and infrastructure that penalize this behavior by corporations.
Many of us have to drive 20-30 minutes just to buy groceries, let alone work. Where I live, it hasn’t been below 37° at 11am since March. Cars, and cheap old ones that annoyingly guzzle gas, are a necessity for us.
eweOf course all of this just adds more to emissions. Which is all of the problem….
^^ from above
how about we shift that attention into laws and infrastructure that penalize this behavior by corporations
This is what we should be focusing on. YOUR CAR isn’t doing shit. ALL OF OUR CARS collectively are doing a shit. You can change your behavior and feel better about yourself, but this problem was caused by laws, oil money lobbying, and the resulting policy. Laws and policy are the way out of it, not making people feel bad about their “choices.”
Yeah that’s what sucks right now. It does kinda feel like your responding to something I didn’t say though :-/
I made another longer reply to someone who said something similar.
You’re absolutely right. It wasn’t entirely your fault. However, i do still feel that the class issues of climate control get ignored in these conversations, and it’s easy for people to look at a line of cars like this and blame the individual when, I promise you, many of those people don’t want to be there at all, but this might be their one thing a day, or even week, that makes getting out of bed worth it.
Climate change is a class issue, and it is a social issue. The people it affects the most (in a given population) should always be remembered in our discussions.
Note: Obviously my own comments come from a place of great privilege. Even more importantly we should remember how oir economies and laws are currently at the expense of the global south, and that they are likely going to be the first ones lost as the effects of our corporate and societal greed are felt even more strongly.
bob_wileyYou seemed to take that comment a little personally. I’m sure it wasn’t meant that way.
I know, but I see it all the time. When people continually “carbon shame” or “car shame” people without any concern for the actual individuals whom they are asking to sacrifice even more, it gets exhausting.
My dad was an environmental consultant. Growing up we knew about erosion control, smog statutes, chemical dumping, and carbon credits from an extremely young age. I have been an activist for climate control and carbon responsability my whole life. Hell at 9 years old I was cold calling trash companies in my county to setup more public recycling bins (it worked).
However, people like the commenter above have forgotten that climate change and emissions regulations are just as much a class issue as anything else.
7.14% of global emissions come from passenger motor vehicles. That’s terrible, and we should be doing everything we can to raise the availability of cleaner fuels and cheaper low-mileage vehicles. But, 35% of global emissions come from commercial energy use and direct carbon production. The problem is not Jim-Bob in his F-350 (though that’s an entire other issue that should be regulated). The problem is Eric Moneybags and his 15 million dollars of carbon credits who gets to ignore EPA regulations because he has deeper pockets.
Global Warmingis a class issue. Its causes are a class issue, and its effects will be felt along class lines. We need to start treating it like the problem it is.
I agree. Telling private citizens with no direct incentives to spend their own money to throw a thimble full of water on this wildfire of a problem is not a realistic approach. Regulation on business, which can dedicate people and teams to solve for these things in their industries, and have a financial incentive to make it happen, while also having a significantly larger impact, makes much more sense.
But, 35% of global emissions come from commercial energy use and direct carbon production. The problem is not Jim-Bob in his F-350 (though that’s an entire other issue that should be regulated). The problem is Eric Moneybags and his 15 million dollars of carbon credits who gets to ignore EPA regulations because he has deeper pockets.
The problem is the CAFE regulations that subsidize Jim-bob’s F-350 by exempting it from the same requirements that govern regular cars, and (from your previous comment) the zoning codes that prohibit density and literally displace you outside of walking distance from your grocery store and work.
My car I bought recently has remote start. So I can turn it (and the AC) on right before I’m about to leave. A minute is enough for it to start blasting plenty of cold air.
Wasn't that a covid thing?
With that being said, there is no way i would've waited there when i saw 3 or more cars.
With that being said, there is no way i would've waited there when i saw 3 or more cars.
Wasn’t that a covid thing?
No, I see it happen in my hood. Sometimes the overflow blocks oncoming traffic too and that’s when you have to actually honk at these utter fuckwits.
Mini coffee and fast food restaurants around where I live closed down internal seating around covid and still haven’t opened the backup now due to staffing issues. Terminally stupid my ass.
Equally terminally stupid your ass, because you can make coffee at home during highly infectious outbreaks.
mhzAre you by any chance telling them to walk on their legs?
This was during Covid social distancing, probably right when Starbucks was allowed to open back up.
Yes because sitting in my car jamming to my music is soooooo stupid.
No, but twenty of you sitting in your idling cars is unbelievably stupid
Start/stop technology.
I used to always go inside as I hate drive through windows. With Covid the inside parts closed. Some still seem closed. It seems so foreign to go into a lot of places now. I have to wonder as new locations go up if they’ll eliminate the dining rooms to save money.
I don’t like waiting in my car, but I fucking hate packed restaurants/cafes where I have to scoot my chair in extra tight so people don’t keep having to rub their junk on me every time they squeeze behind me.
I choose option 3: make my coffee/tea at home because I’m poor asf.
so people don’t keep having to rub their junk on me
I agree with GiantFloppyCock.
Is there a sublemmy for this yet?
Be the change you want to see
- Rimjob Steve
I wouldn’t have noticed without this comment. Love it.
I’m on option 3 because no coffee/tea is worth the wasted time and resources of leaving my house early (even if I had to commute) to wait in line for it. This is just terminally stupid to me and I am unable to understand why anyone does it as part of their daily routine.
TonyTonyChopperyeah I just make some black coffée when I get to work, maybe add a sugar packet if I feel zesty
so people don’t keep having to rub their junk on me
Same, bro. Now where is this coffee place, so I know where not to go? 📜✍🥸
Well, if you weren’t poor, you could just go and sit in half empty cafe where trey charge €10+ per cup.
I hate getting bumped, but for me it’s the noise. Can’t stand a crowded space with many conversations.
You may want to have your autism officially diagnosed :D
What a ridiculous comment. Maybe they already have been. Maybe they can’t afford it. Maybe they don’t even have autism. A diagnosis isn’t some magic cure for sensitivity to noisy crowds anyway, so it’s not a helpful suggestion even if all your assumptions were true.
Don’t be such a sourpuss, it was only a joke
You should go out more often.
High five for practical frugality. I’m with you there.
queermunist she/herI like the sentiment, but imagine it’s above 35^o^C
When the drive-thru is that backed up it's often faster to just park in the lot and order inside.
that photo was almost definitely taken during covid, when going inside was not an option
Not only that, but there’s only one car parked. Is there only 1 employee working?
Not entirely calling shenanigans, but I’ve got questions.
Default_DefectI was told that nobody wants to work.
Many people working these jobs full time cannot affors their own car and must walk or bus to get to their job.
dennyLifes too short for this. Full automatic at home and instant powder for on the goes. :)
In CA, my rent is close to $2k a month, but I can walk to basically everything I need to. In MI, my rent is $650 a month, but the closest coffee shop is miles away.
If your car gets 30 mpg, then you could drive 30 miles for less than $5 probably. It would be more frugal to drive and have the cheaper cost of living.
I don’t have a license which is why I’m not living in MI.
only because it's artificially constructed to be like that for the benefit of the car-oil industrial complex
Everything humans build is artificially constructed
specifically, in this case, euclidean zoning, FAR limits, skewed investment, unsafe intersections, oil subsidies, etc.