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The most important issue this chart leaves out is whether or not it would take more energy to make electricity or make hydrogen for cars.

It would be wonderful to get rid of all the baggage with EV batteries and just fill up. However, according to the chart it would cost 75 pounds to fill up a hydrogen car!

Though the emissions would turn into water vapor I am suspicious of the environmental effects of millions of hydrogen powered cars.

People and other animals have always harmlessly farted C02 and methane, but once the emissions of both gasses cranked up from human activity we got global climate change as a result.

Aug 16, 2023 at 12:57pmWeb
Show threadLett OspreyAug 16, 2023
@beforewisdom This set hydrogen cars to winner in infrastructure and cannot be taken seriously. the infrastructure for hydrogen cars is ridiculous, people that bought these cars here can't even use them because stations are gone...
Show threadbeforewisdom Aug 16, 2023

@panduck

In the U.S. only very little infrastructure for EVs exist so it would be a moot issue here.

I think it is going to be EVs for the U.S. as there is hardly any talk of hydrogen cars here.

Show threadLett OspreyAug 16, 2023
@beforewisdom Still, what they say make little sense "before EVs can go mainstream we must.." and make it sound like it is easier to setup infrasturcture for hydrogen cars. This simply isnt true, infrastructure for hydrogen is a lot more cost and way more complex, EV speed charging stations are way cheaper and easier to install. And we have more or less landed on CCS2 as standard in EU and Tesla in the US :P
Show threadLett OspreyAug 16, 2023

@beforewisdom I guess this was written before most automakers agreed to use Teslas connector. It even list why automaker executives thought EVs would flop.

Of course they say that, they WANT EVs to flow, they make way more money selling gas cars, and hydrogen is their "carrot for the future" that will never ever happen :P

Show threadbeforewisdom Aug 16, 2023

@panduck

Yes, I don't think people will abandon the changes being made for EVs to go after hydrogen cars.

Show threadbeforewisdom Aug 16, 2023

@panduck

Of course, there have to be different standards in the US and EU. Ugh.

Show threadLett OspreyAug 16, 2023

@beforewisdom Well, since US car makers refused to settle on a standard and actually build infrastructure, Tesla won, while EU mandated CCS as standard.

Still, the US having single phase CCS1 and EU having 3 phase CC2, the standard would have had to be different anyway.

For Europe, even Tesla use the CCS2.

It is sad to see Tesla win in the US like that, but the US automakers only have themselves to blame for that.